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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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Cardinal said:
Why does that mean I have to live according to Christian principles? I'm not Christian. As it stands you can go to church as you like, practice your faith as you like, and statistically no one is going to discriminate against you based on your religion. Most people would consider that a pretty good deal.
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The Christian baker who wouldn't make a Gay wedding cake was discriminated against. Christians are being persecuted and killed world-wide in countries where they thought they had religious freedom. Then they let the government or the the small sections of the populous change the arrangements.

I see that happening here.
 
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WCH said:
The Christian baker who wouldn't make a Gay wedding cake was discriminated against. Christians are being persecuted and killed world-wide in countries where they thought they had religious freedom. Then they let the government or the the small sections of the populous change the arrangements.

I see that happening here.
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Because of the baker. And has this sort of thing happened in your own life?

And you're still avoiding my question, which is why do I have to live my life according to Christian principles?
 
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WCH said:
The Christian baker who wouldn't make a Gay wedding cake was discriminated against. Christians are being persecuted and killed world-wide in countries where they thought they had religious freedom. Then they let the government or the the small sections of the populous change the arrangements.

I see that happening here.
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Stop standing on the corpses of the dead Christians in Iraq and using them as props in your ludicrous crusade to prove that Christians are being persecuted in America. That's disgusting.
 
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Navy Pride said:
With all due respect I don't know how anyone could be strongly religious and be for gay marriage.
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That's what happens when you think that your beliefs are the only real ones. "Mine is the only way." does not make you right. One of the biggest single problems I have with some people of faith.

There are plenty of people that believe what they believe, but are open minded enough to respect that others might not agree or that their beliefs don't give them the right to determine what's right for others..
 
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WCH said:
The Christian baker who wouldn't make a Gay wedding cake was discriminated against.
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LOL. Him not baking a cake is him being discriminated against? Wow, that's some kind of twisted logic right there.
 
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Top Cat said:
LOL. Him not baking a cake is him being discriminated against? Wow, that's some kind of twisted logic right there.
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I find it funny, this notion that the guy who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, citing his objection to homosexual marriage, is the one being discriminated against, as opposed to, say, the gay couple getting married. Absolutely boggles my mind, the logical hoops through which some Christians will leap in order to find martyrs.
 
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WCH said:
The Christian baker who wouldn't make a Gay wedding cake was discriminated against.
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Hornswaggle.

Merriam-Webster
dis·crim·i·na·tion noun \dis-ˌkri-mə-ˈnā-shən\: the practice of unfairly treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people



The Public Accommodation law in question in New Mexico didn't discriminate, it was generally applicable to ALL businesses that meet the definition of Public Accommodation establishments and the law required ALL of them to provide full and equal services to customer and denies ALL of them the ability to deny service based on various characteristics.

The baker VOLUNTARILY decided to include wedding cakes in their business model. They are FREE to not sell wedding cakes to blacks, or Mexicans, or Jews, or Gays - just don't include it in the goods and services offered to the general public.



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Kobie said:
I find it funny, this notion that the guy who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, citing his objection to homosexual marriage, is the one being discriminated against, as opposed to, say, the gay couple getting married. Absolutely boggles my mind, the logical hoops through which some Christians will leap in order to find martyrs.
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I believe the baker in Colorado, well he agreed to make a wedding cake for dogs. But I guess they were male and female.


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WCH said:
The Christian baker who wouldn't make a Gay wedding cake was discriminated against. Christians are being persecuted and killed world-wide in countries where they thought they had religious freedom. Then they let the government or the the small sections of the populous change the arrangements.

I see that happening here.
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No, the baker wasn't. That would be like saying a restaurant that refused to serve white people food or a gas station that refused to allow women to purchase anything without the presence of a man is being discriminated against if they get sued or lose a lawsuit.

Christians are not being killed in this country for their beliefs, at least not in great numbers (there are almost always some crazy people who will kill people for reasons such as religion or sexuality or race or other such "reasons"). More homosexuals are killed for being homosexuals in this country than Christians are killed for being Christians. In many other countries that kill Christians for being Christian, they also kill homosexuals for being homosexual.
 
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WCH said:
The Homosexual lobby is pressuring the SCOTUS, the Congress and the minds of Americans on a daily basis to put aside their moral conscience and accept sin into their lives no matter how innocent you make it sound.
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The SCOTUS shouldn't be ruling on law based on a "moral conscience". They should be ruling on the law BASED ON THE LAW.

Which is precisely why I'm in favor of, at the very least, amending our marriage laws to allow for any two individuals without consideration for their gender. The 14th, created via a constitutional process, established equal protection under the law. Currently, I believe there to be a clear unequal application of what can be done under the law as it pertains to gender. Thus far I've never had anyone give me an answer that sufficiently convinces me this unequal application substantially relates to serving an important state interest. As such, in my opinion, our current laws are unconstitutional.
 
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roguenuke said:
Which is one of the stupidest reasons to ever be against anything. We have a 50% divorce rate (something Jesus himself talked against), rapes, murders, lies (almost every single person in this country lies about something every single day, and it may be all), fornicators (only about 3% of people in the US wait until marriage to have sex, that is less than the population of those who would fit into the LGBT... community), and so many other "sinners" in this country, yet some want to believe that God is going to punish us for allowing same sex couples to marry everywhere. This beliefs continues despite the fact that other countries have been persecuting Christians, Jews, and those of many other religions for decades, if not centuries or longer, and yet haven't faced anything that could be reasonably described as "God's wrath".
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True, there are many causes of Judgment. But if you think for one second SSM's won't add to the risk, then you're living in la la land.
 
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Cardinal said:
Because of the baker. And has this sort of thing happened in your own life?

And you're still avoiding my question, which is why do I have to live my life according to Christian principles?
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Which laws do you break?
 
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Top Cat said:
LOL. Him not baking a cake is him being discriminated against? Wow, that's some kind of twisted logic right there.
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He was forced out of business due to his beliefs by the homosexual lobby and their willing sycophants.
 
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WCH said:
He was forced out of business due to his beliefs by the homosexual lobby and their willing sycophants.
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Oh you mean because he chose to be intolerant some folks don't support businesses like that?

That is called a free market.
 
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WCH said:
Which laws do you break?
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If it's all the same I'd really appreciate direct answers to my questions.
 
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Logicman said:
You've got zero credibility with your fiction rant.
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When someone has blind faith that 'their' religion is the only true one, that their religious text is the only 'truth' out there…. well, their view on the credibility of others isn't really worth much.

I support your right to believe in whatever you want to believe in, but that doesn't mean it is 'real' or 'true', and certainly not 'THE truth' … as far too many religions have been used to do horrible things during the existence of man. And just about every religion shares the same stories, and those stories date back way beyond christianity or islam…
 
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WCH said:
He was forced out of business due to his beliefs by the homosexual lobby and their willing sycophants.
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If I go out of my way to mock Christians using my real identity I'd lose roughly 2/3rds of my clients (at least). It's generally why religion, politics and business mix very poorly. I slipped once and started into a global warming discussion with one client, whose panties started getting into a bunch when it became clear I thought anthropological global warming was real. Within twenty seconds I backed the hell off, because I've got mouths to feed and it just wasn't worth alienating a paying customer over.

I don't know if the baker you're referring to actually went out of business over that incident, but if he did he made his choice by going political. Good for him for taking a stand if that's how he felt, but the world isn't consequence free. If you voice your disapproval of an entire bloc of people, you're going to offend them, and there's no law that says they have to keep buying your products.
 
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WCH said:
OK which Christian tenets do you not follow?
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Which laws based on Christianity do you want made into actual laws?
 
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Cardinal said:
If I go out of my way to mock Christians using my real identity I'd lose roughly 2/3rds of my clients (at least). It's generally why religion, politics and business mix very poorly. I slipped once and started into a global warming discussion with one client, whose panties started getting into a bunch when it became clear I thought anthropological global warming was real. Within twenty seconds I backed the hell off, because I've got mouths to feed and it just wasn't worth alienating a paying customer over.

I don't know if the baker you're referring to actually went out of business over that incident, but if he did he made his choice by going political. Good for him for taking a stand if that's how he felt, but the world isn't consequence free. If you voice your disapproval of an entire bloc of people, you're going to offend them, and there's no law that says they have to keep buying your products.
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SSM was against his Biblical beliefs, that should have been reason enough to say no. The homosexual couple(s) should have respected that and gone elsewhere but, they refused and made a fuss.
 
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WCH said:
SSM was against his Biblical beliefs, that should have been reason enough to say no. The homosexual couple(s) should have respected that and gone elsewhere but, they refused and made a fuss.
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Yup, that sort of thing can happen if you own your own business and publicly voice your disapproval of an entire group of people. The customers were no more obliged to stay quiet about it any more than the baker was obliged to open his mouth.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
OK which Christian tenets do you not follow?
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The golden rule is the only one that matters, not that many so called Christians pay any attention to it.
 
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