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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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CaptainCourtesy said:
Typical conservative logic. "I know you completely destroyed my argument with logic and facts, but I'll stay with my massacred position because to give it up would cause more cognitive dissonance than I could handle."

See, Baron, I don't care if someone has a different position than I. They'd just better be prepared to defend it with logic and facts. That didn't happen in this thread. Of course, Of course, YOU seem to not care about those silly things like logic and facts... if those things rip your argument to shreds. Perhaps if you did, you might have agreed with my thrashing of the OP... but NO! COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!
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SENSE of HUMOR!

I'm getting you one for your birthday.
 
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roguenuke said:
We limit how many people they can name on a legal medical power of attorney or how many they can have legally recognized at once.

Living Wills, Health Care Proxies, & Advance Health Care Directives | Section of Real Property, Trust and Estate Law

Now, when it comes to blood relations or other legal relationships that we don't choose, then there can legally be more than one person with that right, but it is more of a default thing rather than something being chosen by the person who might need those decisions made for them in the future. But these are due to inherent nature of the relationship to begin with. Marriages on the other hand are not something that happen because someone else chooses it for us. We don't choose our parents. And our parents have a right to both have a say for us, until we are able to and do decide to take it upon ourselves to choose someone else to do it for us.
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Didn't quite answer the question. When you have a single adult child with no PoA in a pull the plug situation, mom wants to pull the plug, dad doesn't. Who gets priority?
 
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maquiscat said:
Didn't quite answer the question. When you have a single adult child with no PoA in a pull the plug situation, mom wants to pull the plug, dad doesn't. Who gets priority?
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Neither get the priority without a medical directive, which means that there might be conflict. This is something unavoidable in such situations of parents and children (of really any age), but that is why we work to minimize them in other cases where the person is choosing their relations. This is the reason that a person is only allowed to designate one legal medical proxy when they are choosing.
 
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roguenuke said:
No, it isn't a "BS statement", whether you have religion or not. Right and wrong are subjective. The very fact that there are so many different religions is evidence to this.
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Yes, it seems everything is subjective with you and yours. [based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions]

Therein lies the problem. Core values...out the window Natural law...out the window Teaching our children the reality of right and wrong...out the window.

Look around and see the fruits of that labor. [or lack there of]
 
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WCH said:
Yes, it seems everything is subjective with you and yours. [based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions]

Therein lies the problem. Core values...out the window Natural law...out the window Teaching our children the reality of right and wrong...out the window.

Look around and see the fruits of that labor. [or lack there of]
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People have always taught their children different views of right and wrong. There has always been differences in our core values (at least between every single person). And natural law is a subjective philosophy, based on flawed beliefs.
 
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obvious Child said:
Ah, labeling, a sign that a poster doesn't have an argument.
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That means nothing.
You strongly argued that the notion of children is central to marriage. Do you believe that or do you not? I cited three of your posts suggesting you do.
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I'd like to see that quote. Same old same old.
Now tell me, what is your view on people who will not or cannot have children? Since you have three times argued that children are central to marriage, should people who are unwilling or infertile still be allowed to get married?
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Zero quotes, as I said, you are not being honest.
Here's where you are mistaken... children are essential for the continuation of the species, that is what I said. All that was to the point that same sex "marriage" is not the same as regular marriage.

But as I see in other posts here, people have been so dishonest that they refuse to admit it, and actually state the false claim that it is the same. No point in even responding to those people.

I'd also like to emphasize that my biggest concern here is the abuse of federal power. That just leads to more abuse. If a State okay's gay marriage, I can live with it. I don't agree, and feel that it is wrong, but that's fine.

It is now a routine practice of the left to abuse our rights to get what they want. That is dangerous. And I have not seen one person on the left here with the slightest clue as to that fact.
 
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WCH said:
Yes, it seems everything is subjective with you and yours. [based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions]

Therein lies the problem. Core values...out the window Natural law...out the window Teaching our children the reality of right and wrong...out the window.

Look around and see the fruits of that labor. [or lack there of]
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You values that YOU feel are core and necessary. You and your religion do not get to dictate morality for the rest of us. Worry about yourself.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I'd also like to emphasize that my biggest concern here is the abuse of federal power. That just leads to more abuse. If a State okay's gay marriage, I can live with it. I don't agree, and feel that it is wrong, but that's fine.

It is now a routine practice of the left to abuse our rights to get what they want. That is dangerous. And I have not seen one person on the left here with the slightest clue as to that fact.
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Funny how the right now claims they are afraid of federal abuse regarding marriage, but had no problems in the past with the federal dictating marriage and that other states had to recognize them. It was only when SSM came around they starting crying "abuse" with the federal government in regards to marriage. So go cry me a river because your comments are nothing but hypocritical and show that the agenda isn't about federal abuse, but that you don't like the idea of SSM.
 
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Anthony60 said:
That means nothing.

I'd like to see that quote. Same old same old.

Zero quotes, as I said, you are not being honest.
Here's where you are mistaken... children are essential for the continuation of the species, that is what I said. All that was to the point that same sex "marriage" is not the same as regular marriage.

But as I see in other posts here, people have been so dishonest that they refuse to admit it, and actually state the false claim that it is the same. No point in even responding to those people.

I'd also like to emphasize that my biggest concern here is the abuse of federal power. That just leads to more abuse. If a State okay's gay marriage, I can live with it. I don't agree, and feel that it is wrong, but that's fine.

It is now a routine practice of the left to abuse our rights to get what they want. That is dangerous. And I have not seen one person on the left here with the slightest clue as to that fact.
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Children are not what marriage is about. Children exist outside of marriage and same sex couples can make babies exist, the same ways that some opposite sex couples do, IVF, surrogacy, and donations, or simply by going outside of their marriage for the sole purpose of procreating.
 
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roguenuke said:
People have always taught their children different views of right and wrong. There has always been differences in our core values (at least between every single person). And natural law is a subjective philosophy, based on flawed beliefs.
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Which tenets of life do you feel the kids will use in theirs? The ones that required less rigidity. Less thought? Less consequence? Less effort?

Yeah that where we're headed.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You values that YOU feel are core and necessary. You and your religion do not get to dictate morality for the rest of us. Worry about yourself.
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I see a societal failure based on the turning away from God. I worry about us all.
 
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WCH said:
Which tenets of life do you feel the kids will use in theirs? The ones that required less rigidity. Less thought? Less consequence? Less effort?

Yeah that where we're headed.
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Now you are just ranting. There are all sorts of ways to teach children to live, succeed, help, and thrive in society, become productive members, not just one and that has absolutely zero to do with homosexuality or even whether you teach children that homosexuality is wrong or not.
 
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WCH said:
I see a societal failure based on the turning away from God. I worry about us all.
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That's nice, it isn't for you to decide what morality we follow. I see us turning into a theocracy if you had your way.
 
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WCH said:
I see a societal failure based on the turning away from God. I worry about us all.
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Would that be the same 'God' that millions of people have been slaughtered in the name of? Sounds like a great guy.
 
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WCH said:
I see a societal failure based on the turning away from God. I worry about us all.
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I see societal failure if religious nut jobs succeed in trying and force their world view on everyone else. Whether that be denying rights to homosexuals or other groups they disapprouve of, or the decline in education promoted by ignoring science and teaching creationism in its place.
Fortunately I dont think they have any hope of succeding and turning North America into a Christian version of Taliban Afghanistan.
 
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WCH said:
Again, put up for a vote in Nov. as a state constitutional amendment proposition.

If the people of Texas vote it's OK to support depravity, I'll never say another word on the subject.
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If the people of Texas voted to define marriage as between two people of the same-sex, thereby annulling all heterosexual marriages, would you also accept that?
 
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Dragonfly said:
"Regular" people don't care what two consenting adults do regarding sex, marriage, or relationship status.

It's only the pompously religious that seem to care. They're the ones who want to force their beliefs on others.
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Uh huh. Just like the pro-gay crowd wearing out teams of lawyers suing people who don't buy into their unbiblical agenda, so they can ram it down their throats.
 
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Kobie said:
I, for one, could not care less about your imaginary friend or his book.

I have not read a single anti-SSM argument that isn't riddled with logical fallacies.
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And I, for one, think your comments are nonsense.
 
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Logicman said:
Uh huh. Just like the pro-gay crowd wearing out teams of lawyers suing people who don't buy into their unbiblical agenda, so they can ram it down their throats.
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Nothing is being "rammed down your throat." Have you considered the implications of that phrase the right-wing media has fed you? Have you even thought about what that means?

You aren't being forced to do, say, or accept anything. Do you care whether or not strangers approve of your marriage? What makes you think anybody cares whether you approve of same-sex marriage? People aren't fighting for your opinion, they're fighting to have the law treat them equally.
 
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Deuce said:
Nothing is being "rammed down your throat." Have you considered the implications of that phrase the right-wing media has fed you? Have you even thought about what that means?

You aren't being forced to do, say, or accept anything. Do you care whether or not strangers approve of your marriage? What makes you think anybody cares whether you approve of same-sex marriage? People aren't fighting for your opinion, they're fighting to have the law treat them equally.
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Gay sex is an abomination, and gay marriage is nothing more than institutionalized sin. And anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up and become more cognizant of what God considers right and proper.
 
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Logicman said:
Gay sex is an abomination, and gay marriage is nothing more than institutionalized sin. And anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up and become more cognizant of what God considers right and proper.
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I assume you agree with my post because you didn't provide any objections.

Nothing is being forced upon you. You don't need to accept anything. You get to express this opinion every day until the day you die. Enjoy.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
In your opinion. The majority of folks in this country do not believe it is disgusting. That means that your opinion will eventually get trumped.
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When enough people in a state think having sex with monkeys is all good fun then they can legalize it.
 
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Papa bull said:
When enough people in a state think having sex with monkeys is all good fun then they can legalize it.
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Which has nothing to do with same sex marriage being legalized a different way. Having sex with a monkey is not, nor could not be viewed as being a legal right. There is no question of harm or conflicting rights when it comes to an adult humans choosing to have some form of sex with another adult human, of either sex. There is easily a question of harm or possibly even conflicting rights (particularly if the state has any animal cruelty laws) that come into play here when talking about an adult human having sex with an animal. And marriage is a completely different matter altogether here.
 
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Papa bull said:
When enough people in a state think having sex with monkeys is all good fun then they can legalize it.
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And this has something to do with SSM how?
 
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Logicman said:
Gay sex is an abomination, and gay marriage is nothing more than institutionalized sin. And anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up and become more cognizant of what God considers right and proper.
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There is no god. Period.

Regardless of that fact, if YOU think something is a sin, don't do it.

It's not your place to tell others what's religiously proper, and what's not.

You are a fallible human who is also NOT without sin.

Those who live in glass houses should not throw feces encrusted stones.
 
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