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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Anthony60 said:
That's nice, completely irrelevant though.
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Irrelevant to your blanket claim that people marry in order to procreate? No, actually it's dead on. As is the fact that sterile and people over procreating age get married all the time. Reality contradicts your opinion of how things should be.
 
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Cardinal said:
Well, we know one place where Liberals won't challenge bestiality laws. Texas! Yep, totally legit there. Also Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, West Virginia and Wyoming.
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There you go. It all depends on community standards. I live across the river from West Virginia. I know their community standards are different. I'm good with that. :)
 
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Papa bull said:
There you go. It all depends on community standards. I live across the river from West Virginia. I know their community standards are different. I'm good with that. :)
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So bestiality sounds a lot more like a rural/conservative thing then rather than a "loony left" thing. In fact, since those opposing bestiality are so concerned about gay marriage leading to bestality, they would have done something about it going on right in their own back yards. But nope, I guess when push comes to shove bestiality is totally okey dokey as far as they're concerned.
 
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Papa bull said:
Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
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Animals cannot consent to sexual activity, and they aren't protected by the constitution. Your comparison of homosexuality to bestiality is just pathetic. You've lost this argument, so you want to try and tie it to a different one where you have a stronger position.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, but it is different, is it not? Marriage is the union of two opposite sex people, a building block of human society, why should we call the union of two same sex people the same thing, when it clearly is not? Why do we have to go out of our way to do this? Why can't gays just get the same rights in their unions?
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The constitution requires the government treat them the same, barring an important state interest in making a distinction of gender. The government doesn't have the authority to define marriage as between a man and a woman.
 
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WCH said:
Texas voters overwhelmingly voted that marriage should only be between one man and one woman. Of course that was in 2006. We'd be willing to put it to a vote again if it's allowed to stick.
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That doesnt make them right.

People in the Southern states voted that marriage should only be between the same races. Should they have been allowed to keep interracial marriage illegal....because 'that's what they wanted?'
 
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Cardinal said:
So bestiality sounds a lot more like a rural/conservative thing then rather than a "loony left" thing. In fact, since those opposing bestiality are so concerned about gay marriage leading to bestality, they would have done something about it going on right in their own back yards. But nope, I guess when push comes to shove bestiality is totally okey dokey as far as they're concerned.
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Wow. Did you somehow come to the ridiculous conclusion that all rural people are conservative? Damn, man, why do you think "red states" have so many welfare cases.... they've got plenty of liberals living in them.
 
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WCH said:
I stand by what I said.

It's not superiority, it's simply right and wrong.
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And you dont get to tell people what to do.

Even in "your world," that's up to God, not you.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I think this is a good point that is overlooked, mostly because of PC reasons and that the gay marriage crowd doesn't want to face it. People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
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LOLOLOLOLOL


We never wanted children and we sure 'mated' plenty!
 
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Papa bull said:
Use your head. Consent isn't an issue with animals. They don't have to consent to you owning them or slaughtering them or mutilating them or eating them or doing anything to them. Consent was never the reason why bestiality is illegal. The fact that it's disgusting and unnatural has always been the reason why it's illegal.
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LOLOL You do have to consent to enter into a contract...which marriage is. Owning them, eating them, dont require contracts. Did you think this thru?



Aside from that, I said that it's a public health issue and it often constitutes animal abuse (many smaller animals suffer/die painfully).
 
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Papa bull said:
Animal abuse wasn't an issue until modern times. Bestiality laws didn't arise from some legal conscience about animal rights. It's a far, far stretch to assert that a horse getting a blowjob is being tortured. But it's plenty illegal. Why? Because it's disgusting and unnatural.
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YOu are embarrassing yourself by trying to make a (mistaken) point.

In order to avoid the relevance to SSM I imagine? Please get back on topic.

Even if something is 'illegal' because it's unnatural and disgusting, it doesnt mean that it should be today. That meets NO standards of law today.

I find foot fetishes unnatural and disgusting...I see no reason nor right of the people to make it illegal.
 
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Papa bull said:
We were merely discussing the fact that we can and do base laws on what we consider right and wrong based on any variety of reasons we may have up to and including forbidding what we consider unnatural. It's the truth and you don't have to like it for it to be true.
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You have yet to prove it to be true. So we reject your opinion, as well as the premise that 'unnatural and disgusting' would today *ever* be the legal basis for infringing on someone's rights.
 
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Papa bull said:
Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
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Since when do liberals or anyone with a conscience support animal abuse?
 
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Anthony60 said:
I was pointing out the fact that homosexual sex can not produce offspring and has no role in the continuation and evolution of the species, whereas heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. If people stopped having homosexual sex tomorrow, it wouldn't effect our species in the least, if at all. If heterosexual sex stops, humans vanish from the Earth. Just a slight difference there. Not a comment on marriage, but just on nature.
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Yes, they do produce biologically and do so naturally or go thru the same medical lengths as straight people to do so with IVF and surrogacy.

Relating the legal contract of marriage to 'nature' is useless, as it does not restrict anyone else based on that single criteria, such as the infertile, elderly, or those that dont want kids.

Next?
 
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prometeus said:
I do my best all the time, that is why I made the suggestion to you, so you can try it also.
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No, you were just making a snarky remark, which is fine, just admit it.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, but it is different, is it not? Marriage is the union of two opposite sex people, a building block of human society, why should we call the union of two same sex people the same thing, when it clearly is not? Why do we have to go out of our way to do this? Why can't gays just get the same rights in their unions?
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How are stable gay families not 'building blocks' of human society?

Again, many straight families have adopted kids, step kids or use other means to have kids.....are they stable building blocks of society?
The families exist and will continue to do so.

And if they are all the same except for gender, is there some reason that you feel the need (other than offense...because it truly is perfectly 'clear' to everyone, it's not a matter of confusion) to create another govt bureaucracy? So much for 'smaller govt' and 'less govt intrusion in our lives'. Not too hypocritical.....I guess you only want that when it suits your purposes?
 
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Lursa said:
Yes, they do produce biologically and do so naturally or go thru the same medical lengths as straight people to do so with IVF and surrogacy.

Relating the legal contract of marriage to 'nature' is useless, as it does not restrict anyone else based on that single criteria, such as the infertile, elderly, or those that dont want kids.

Next?
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Why you people feel the need to proclaim that homosexuals reproduce, with the opposite sex, is just strange. We know that. That's how the species survives, reproduction. Homosexuality is not part of that equation.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Why you people feel the need to proclaim that homosexuals reproduce, with the opposite sex, is just strange. We know that. That's how the species survives, reproduction. Homosexuality is not part of that equation.
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They do reproduce with the opposite sex. ROFLMAO...where do you think all their bio kids come from????

Infertile couples, couples that dont want kids, couples marry in their elder years....also not part of any reproductive equation. (psssssssst! still allowed to marry)
 
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Anthony60 said:
People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
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Cardinal said:
My wife and I didn't mate to procreate, and we have no intention of ever doing so.
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Anthony60 said:
That's nice, completely irrelevant though.
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No, it's a direct contradiction to your claim. Do you not understand that? Is there a way we can make it clear that his statement (and a similar one by me) prove you wrong?
 
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Papa bull said:
There you go. It all depends on community standards. I live across the river from West Virginia. I know their community standards are different. I'm good with that. :)
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Yes well we are actually discussing human civil rights here and they had exactly that kind of thinking back during Jim Crow and the civil rights movement.

Was that acceptable? Was enacting racist laws ok based on 'community standards?'
 
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I would probably vote not to include same-sex couples in the law here in California, but I would not be very upset if the vote went the other way. We have lots of policies I'm not wild about, but I can live with them. I'm far more concerned about a related problem, and an extremely serious one, that tends to get lost in the shuffle. Playing fast and loose with the Constitution is like tampering with the flight controls on an airliner.

Most of the people who have the bit in their teeth on this issue--and I see quite a few of them on forums like these--don't care a damn about the rule of law. All they care about is getting the result they want. And if the only way to get it is to do enormous, irreparable damage to the Constitution, well, so what? To them, the Constitution is just an obstacle to doing what they all know is kind, sensitive, and in all ways just generally wonderful. Amend it? Nah, too much trouble. Just ignore it.

The homosexual-rights lobby, which includes several Supreme Court justices, is a lot like the abortion lobby of forty or fifty years ago. Then, the fruit of their labors was Roe v. Wade, a notoriously arbitrary decision that ranks right down with 1857's Dred Scott v. Sandford as one of the Court's all-time worst. Study the decisions Justice Kennedy has written during the past eighteen years in the Court's major "gay" decisions, Romer, Lawrence, and Windsor, and you can see another Roe in the works.

Whether homosexuals can marry each other in a given state should be for the people of that state to decide, and no one else. A state that excludes same-sex couples from its marriage law is not violating anything whatever in the Constitution; the only way to have a constitutional right to same-sex marriage is to make it up out of thin air. But the same is true of a right to abortion, and that didn't stop the Court forty years ago. Remember: a Court that can interpret the Constitution so as to create rights which are not there can also interpret it so as to destroy rights which are there.
 
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