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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
You are correct that we don't live under a theocracy but, My faith requires me to rebuke sin where I see it.

If you can' t see it as sin, consider it a negative force in the universe where we are all conneected by a common thread. It has no usefulness.
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Are we talking about your faith?
Because SSM does serve a purpose. You may not like it but your likes/dislikes are irrelevant.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
You are correct that we don't live under a theocracy but, My faith requires me to rebuke sin where I see it.

If you can' t see it as sin, consider it a negative force in the universe where we are all conneected by a common thread. It has no usefulness.
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Then we can both rebuke the abominations we see before us. I will rebuke christianity because I think it's bigoted bull****, and you can rebuke homosexuality because you think it's a sin. The only important part here is that neither you, me, or anyone else have any power to use the government to deny rights to the groups we don't like.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
My faith requires me to rebuke sin where I see it.
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Exactly which "faith" is it you subscribe to? What faith "requires you to rebuke sin" ????
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Simon Feltser said:
I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
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There is like five flaws in your logic.

1: Same-sex couples are generally allowed to have children regardless of whether or not they are allowed to marry.

2: Same-sex couples generally choose when they raise children and have to generally go through considerable effort to do so and as such show considerably better outcomes than your average young heterosexual couple.

3: You would not deny single parents the opportunity to marry if it would benefit a child so why would having two parents be worse than having one even if they are the same sex?

4: You do not deny marriage to women who have their tubes tied or men who have vasectomies and those procedures are clearly against natural law.

5: Even if it is true that children fair better with parents of opposite genders there are factors considerably more important such as whether the parents are abusive or neglectful, which means you are putting gender above the capacity for people to actually parent.

This is why your arguments fail in court. They are baseless and irrational and exist entirely as religious sensibilities that have no place in policy or law.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Quag said:
Are we talking about your faith?
Because SSM does serve a purpose. You may not like it but your likes/dislikes are irrelevant.
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Your right it does serve a purpose and that purpose is to cheapen traditional marriage.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Dragonfly said:
Derrrrr.....what???????

The VAST VAST majority of gay people, wait for it................ have straight parents.

So what's your point again?????
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Well, it was in the past, when there was not so much noise around gays. And there was not so many gay propaganda. Do you know, that in the present time, the number of those who became gay under the influence of gay environment and gay propaganda is equal to the number of those who are gay by nature
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Navy Pride said:
Your right it does serve a purpose and that purpose is to cheapen traditional marriage.
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So gays being married makes you less of a husband?
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Navy Pride said:
Your right it does serve a purpose and that purpose is to cheapen traditional marriage.
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It provides equal rights/responsibilities to SS couples
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Cardinal said:
If I were NavyPride I would have developed a severe flinch every time my hand strayed near the "start new thread" button by now.
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CC just carved his ass up. And Navy won't respond. That's his MO.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

CaptainCourtesy said:
I posted Pew and a few others, NP. Find me ONE polls that shows that Americans do NOT support SSM that has scientific validity. ONE.
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CC I can'tt do that because people like me are in the silent majority and we never get polled............
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Simon Feltser said:
I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
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Natural law is a subjective philosophy. Marriage is not in any way "governed by natural law". Marriage is something we humans made up to make tracking and recognition of our intimate relationships easier and to give our spouses some status as legal kin.

Same sex marriage never denies any child of any parent since no couple has to raise children to begin with to be married legally. Same sex marriage does not legally affect a same sex couple's ability to raise a child. They legally can do that now. You cannot prove that it is always in a child's best interests to "be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother". Plus, opposite sex couples have children out of wedlock, divorce while raising children, and have one or both die all the time. It is part of life.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

CaptainCourtesy said:
Wrong NP. The majority SUPPORT SSM. This has been shown in every poll, consistently. There is no silent majority on this issue.
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There is a silent majority on every issue....I belong to the Fleet Reserve Association and we have over 100 members and none have ever been polled on SSM.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Simon Feltser said:
Well, they still bring up children. And this is a problem. Education of person by same sex parents, surrounded by same-sex couples, can lead (and probably will) to the non-recognition of his gender identity in principle. That is, children will grow as an asexual being. The precedent was when 11-year-old boy who was adopted by two lesbians, said that he denies his gender identity and wants to be like a "two mothers." In this regard, moms started to feed him by hormonal drugs, which have detrimental effect on physical health in this age. Also, because of this education, the psyche of a boy suffered so much that he can not perceive himself as he is
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This doesn't make any sense at all. Children are not generally raised in a bubble, where they never come into contact with anyone except their parents, those who are raising them (unless there is some serious abuse/neglect going on). The is absolutely no proof that a child, boy or girl, raised by a same sex couples is more likely to have issues with gender identity or even be more likely to be gay or asexual from having two mothers or two fathers. You are essentially making crap up here.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Simon Feltser said:
Well, it was in the past, when there was not so much noise around gays. And there was not so many gay propaganda. Do you know, that in the present time, the number of those who became gay under the influence of gay environment and gay propaganda is equal to the number of those who are gay by nature
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Wrong again. Same sex couples have been raising children openly for decades, and the outcome has consistently shown that same sex parents are no more likely to raise a child who is homosexual, bisexual, or asexual than opposite sex parents.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Navy Pride said:
Hmmmmmm there are 100 vets in my Fleet Reserve Lodge that might disagree with you my left wing friend.
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Oh my. To be a fly upon the wall.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Navy Pride said:
CC I can'tt do that because people like me are in the silent majority and we never get polled............
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The silent majority refers to people who do not protest in public not to those who hide from pollsters.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Navy Pride said:
There is a silent majority on every issue....I belong to the Fleet Reserve Association and we have over 100 members and none have ever been polled on SSM.
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And not one person I know has been polled randomly on same sex marriage either but many more than 100 of them support same sex marriage. Perhaps, you should look at the fact that if they are in the Fleet Reserve Association, it likely means that they are part of the "50+ group" and that would mean they are more likely to not support same sex marriage. There are other groups as well. In reality, I'm betting that at least someone in that group supports it, but remains silent about it, especially if they are in the minority.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Simon Feltser said:
Well, they still bring up children. And this is a problem. Education of person by same sex parents, surrounded by same-sex couples, can lead (and probably will) to the non-recognition of his gender identity in principle. That is, children will grow as an asexual being. The precedent was when 11-year-old boy who was adopted by two lesbians, said that he denies his gender identity and wants to be like a "two mothers." In this regard, moms started to feed him by hormonal drugs, which have detrimental effect on physical health in this age. Also, because of this education, the psyche of a boy suffered so much that he can not perceive himself as he is
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So that 11 year old that was raised by lesbians speaks for all children of gay parents? Sorry but no, I've seen numerous children raised by gay parents that have turned out just fine both physically and psycologically.

Secondly, please explaiIn in your example how preventing those two gay parents from marrying solves that problem. Answer is it doesn't. It isn't illegal for gays to raise children. The anti-gay folks lost that battle long long ago.

So again, the anti-SSM crowd is losing not only to logic, but facts as well.
 
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'Ya know, I would be interested in any poll which has the following choice....

"I do not support gay marriage, but I'm OK with it because it's none of my damn business".

And, just curious, why is a poll from townhall.com in breaking news? It's not breaking news. It's asking peoples' opinions.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
I wasn't being accusatory rather just posing a question.

Bigot/bigotry/bigoted is far overused these days., IMHO
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Hear that a lot do you?
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Simon Feltser said:
Well, it was in the past, when there was not so much noise around gays. And there was not so many gay propaganda. Do you know, that in the present time, the number of those who became gay under the influence of gay environment and gay propaganda is equal to the number of those who are gay by nature
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Got any studies, or links to studies that prove the nonsense you're talking about here?
 
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