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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

JoeTrumps said:
let me roll a molotov cocktail into this thread.
allowing gays to marry is like letting someone into a golf club who doesn't play golf.
2/3rds of gay people who marry admit they are not monogamous to one another FROM THE START of the marriage.
3/4ths have no plans to adopt/have children.

in short, they aren't in any way trying to live the lives of a standard "married couple". they just want the right. so let's give it to them. They only want it for the "title", not the idea or meaning of the thing. Just let them have it already. enjoy
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Could you document those statistics please.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Now, what can we conclude from all this information? Well, firstly we can conclude that NP's poll is the least scientific and the least reliable. We can also conclude that Americans have been increasingly supporting SSM ACROSS THE BOARD. All demographics have shown increasing support... including Republicans and older adults. For example, according to the Pew data, only 21% of older adults supported SSM in 2001; in 2013, 36% supported it. In 2001, Catholics were at 38% and Protestants were at 40%; in 2013, Catholics were at 55%, Protestants 54%. Even Evangelical Protestant support went from 13% to 23% between 2001 and 2013.

The CBS poll shows that Republican support for SSM has changed from 13% to 37% just since 2012.

Ultimately, the conclusion is this. More and more Americans are supporting SSM across all demographics. Of course, there will always be a few opponents who will ignore information and research and stick to their biases, but as we can see, those people are becoming fewer and fewer.
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We can now conclude that YOU just hijacked this thread definitively showing YOUR bias towards people who do not agree with YOUR opinion.

Is that one of your functions?
 
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Redress said:
Could you document those statistics please.
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Aside from trying to make him actually back up his stats. Whats the point?
Unfaithfulness is not unheard of in marriage be it SS or OS and children are not a requirement for marriage.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I do support equal rights considering I'm not a bigot who wants to force my beliefs on others.
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Being utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own?

Seems that could work both ways here.
 
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Quag said:
Aside from trying to make him actually back up his stats. Whats the point?
Unfaithfulness is not unheard of in marriage be it SS or OS and children are not a requirement for marriage.
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So I can more accurately judge their veracity. I suspect, based on what I know, that the numbers will prove to be wrong, but I can't prove that, or even know it for sure without seeing the source.
 
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WCH said:
We can now conclude that YOU just hijacked this thread definitively showing YOUR bias towards people who do not agree with YOUR opinion.

Is that one of your functions?
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Proving the OP poll is one of the least scientific and least credible is hijacking the thread? :lamo
 
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WCH said:
Being utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own?

Seems that could work both ways here.
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Would you like to show me an example where I've done that? For instance: I think christianity, among the rest of the religions, is a disgusting abomination with no other purpose than to control people. However, I don't do anything to prevent the religious from being religious. Everyone has a right to believe absolutely whatever they want. What people DO NOT have a right to is forcing that belief on others.

Opposing SSM is opposing equal rights for other citizens you find "icky". The government should not be in the business of doling out who gets rights and who doesn't. I live my life by one simple philosophy: live and let live. If you think other adults marrying each other violates your rights in some way then you can go cry in a corner about it while the rest of the world evolves without you.

Do you recognize there's a difference between live and let live and imposing your morality on others?
 
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WCH said:
Being utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own?

Seems that could work both ways here.
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No, the difference here is I don't care if you hold your belief that SSM is immoral and you are free to hold that belief. However, you are not free to force others to follow it. And sorry but when dealing with the public, there are rules you have to follow and if those go against your belief, there is always your church you can go to.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Proving the OP poll is one of the least scientific and least credible is hijacking the thread? :lamo
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Hitting it multiple times in a roll is rather excessive or should I say obsessive..
 
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WCH said:
Hitting it multiple times in a roll is rather excessive or should I say obsessive..
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That's your opinion it is excessive, but it isn't hijacking the thread since it is still refuting the OP.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Would you like to show me an example where I've done that? For instance: I think christianity, among the rest of the religions, is a disgusting abomination with no other purpose than to control people. However, I don't do anything to prevent the religious from being religious. Everyone has a right to believe absolutely whatever they want. What people DO NOT have a right to is forcing that belief on others.

Opposing SSM is opposing equal rights for other citizens you find "icky". The government should not be in the business of doling out who gets rights and who doesn't. I live my life by one simple philosophy: live and let live. If you think other adults marrying each other violates your rights in some way then you can go cry in a corner about it while the rest of the world evolves without you.

Do you recognize there's a difference between live and let live and imposing your morality on others?
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I wasn't being accusatory rather just posing a question.

Bigot/bigotry/bigoted is far overused these days., IMHO
More or less throw around to be hurtful [when it's not]
 
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TheNextEra said:
That's your opinion it is excessive, but it isn't hijacking the thread since it is still refuting the OP.
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Damn right it's my opinion. That's why I'm expressing it. 8)
 
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Redress said:
So I can more accurately judge their veracity. I suspect, based on what I know, that the numbers will prove to be wrong, but I can't prove that, or even know it for sure without seeing the source.
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I suspect you are right. However even if they are correct it is irrelevant.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Not so. A true Libertarian wouldn't want children to have access to drugs any more than we advocate for children having whiskey in their cereal. Liquor is legal for anyone over 21 (as it should be). Drugs should be lega for anyone over 21. Why would anyone else care what I decide to put in my body?
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The reason people should care is because the evolution of society has developed to a point where somehow what you do may cost me tax dollars. So your right to destroy yourself and place a cost on my pocket should be inhibited. In theory you are correct, but in reality what people do now could have an effect on others. That doesn't applay to all things, for those that want to carry an idea there. My statement was purposely exaggerated to make a point to the person I was responding to, who spoke in unlimited terms.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You automatically assume that libertarians want "No" limits, they simply want limited government. I know it's a tough concept for some conservatives to understand, since many like to use big government to dictate morality.
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He spoke in no limits, maybe your should explain it to him.
 
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American said:
He spoke in no limits, maybe your should explain it to him.
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Well since you applied that to libertarians I'm explaining it to you.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
 
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Simon Feltser said:
I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
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I always laugh at the anti-SSM when they bring up children. Here's a hint regardless of whether gays are married or NOT, they STILL raise children. Such a pathetic reason to list and shows why the anti-SSM will lose indefinitely.
 
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Simon Feltser said:
I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
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SS marriage is already lawful, so someone's natural law has been broken.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Simon Feltser said:
I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
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Two-parent, same-sex couples raise children just fine. Numerous studies show this.

Yes, it is ideal to have children raised by their two parents in a stable, loving, high-income, well-educated family living in a low-crime area with good schools. Because of this, we should ban all adoption, right?
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

TheNextEra said:
I always laugh at the anti-SSM when they bring up children. Here's a hint regardless of whether gays are married or NOT, they STILL raise children. Such a pathetic reason to list and shows why the anti-SSM will lose indefinitely.
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Well, they still bring up children. And this is a problem. Education of person by same sex parents, surrounded by same-sex couples, can lead (and probably will) to the non-recognition of his gender identity in principle. That is, children will grow as an asexual being. The precedent was when 11-year-old boy who was adopted by two lesbians, said that he denies his gender identity and wants to be like a "two mothers." In this regard, moms started to feed him by hormonal drugs, which have detrimental effect on physical health in this age. Also, because of this education, the psyche of a boy suffered so much that he can not perceive himself as he is
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
I wasn't being accusatory rather just posing a question.

Bigot/bigotry/bigoted is far overused these days., IMHO
More or less throw around to be hurtful [when it's not]
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I use it to serve both purposes, to describe their actual behavior, and to call them out to make them feel bad, because they should.

Other people making voluntary contracts with each other has absolutely no effect on your life in any way, shape or form. We don't live under shariah law, we live in a republic where all citizens are supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I use it to serve both purposes, to describe their actual behavior, and to call them out to make them feel bad, because they should.

Other people making voluntary contracts with each other has absolutely no effect on your life in any way, shape or form. We don't live under shariah law, we live in a republic where all citizens are supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.
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You are correct that we don't live under a theocracy but, My faith requires me to rebuke sin where I see it.

If you can' t see it as sin, consider it a negative force in the universe where we are all conneected by a common thread. It has no usefulness.
 
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Simon Feltser said:
Well, they still bring up children. And this is a problem.
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Derrrrr.....what???????

The VAST VAST majority of gay people, wait for it................ have straight parents.

So what's your point again?????
 
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