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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

TheNextEra said:
And just because YOU and some other people think its an oxymoron doesn't make it so. The fact is the majority of society believes you are wrong.
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I think the majority of society is just tired of hearing about it. Most of the societies in the world want no part of it and only a small minority of states have undertaken the grand gay experiment of creating the oxymoron of homosexual marriage. You know, even if all the states adopt this absurdity, it is still a natural oxymoron; a human construct that no longer reflects the natural state that marriage was designed to accommodate and support.
 
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Papa bull said:
I think the majority of society is just tired of hearing about it. Most of the societies in the world want no part of it and only a small minority of states have undertaken the grand gay experiment of creating the oxymoron of homosexual marriage. You know, even if all the states adopt this absurdity, it is still a natural oxymoron; a human construct that no longer reflects the natural state that marriage was designed to accommodate and support.
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Nope it is nothing but your OPINION it is an oxymoron. Good thing what you "think" is of no matter to the rest of society. You will soon be put in the same catagory as those who think interracial marriages aren't real marriages either. You'll have good company there that fit your persona.
 
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Papa bull said:
I think the majority of society is just tired of hearing about it. Most of the societies in the world want no part of it and only a small minority of states have undertaken the grand gay experiment of creating the oxymoron of homosexual marriage. You know, even if all the states adopt this absurdity, it is still a natural oxymoron; a human construct that no longer reflects the natural state that marriage was designed to accommodate and support.
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I don't think you know what "oxymoron" means. An oxymoron would be "awfully good" or "cheerful pessimist." You see how in each of those examples there are two words that directly contradict each other? The reason "gay marriage" isn't an oxymoron is because marriage is a human construct, an institution created by people, and can be changed by people. The fact that marriage was once by law forbidden to interracial couples is evidence of this. Like gay marriage, the laws were amended, and you don't hear anybody (that you would take seriously, I hope) call interracial marriage an "oxymoron" do you?

"The grand gay experiment." I like that.
 
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Papa bull said:
I think the majority of society is just tired of hearing about it. Most of the societies in the world want no part of it and only a small minority of states have undertaken the grand gay experiment of creating the oxymoron of homosexual marriage. You know, even if all the states adopt this absurdity, it is still a natural oxymoron; a human construct that no longer reflects the natural state that marriage was designed to accommodate and support.
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"The grand gay experiment"


:lol:
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Here is the McClatchy-Marist Poll from just a few days ago (8/14).

WASHINGTON: Sea change: Americans revising opinions on gays, poll finds | Washington | McClatchy DC

54% support SSM in this poll... again, the percentage has been rising consistently over the past 10 years.
One thing of note is that those 60 and older are the one age group that doesn't support SSM... so when they die off...
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Another very interesting poll.
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You may not have noticed but everyone who's alive gets older every day. No one gets younger.

With advances in health care it's likely that the percentage of seniors in the USA's population will increase.

Think about it.

The old fogies aren't all going to kick the bucket tomorrow.

They'll continue to be a big percentage of the USA's Population for a long time.
 
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shrubnose said:
You may not have noticed but everyone who's alive gets older every day. No one gets younger.

With advances in health care it's likely that the percentage of seniors in the USA's population will increase.

Think about it.

The old fogies aren't all going to kick the bucket tomorrow.
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We have a few centuries of medical progress to go before the current lot of old fogies go Highlander.
 
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Cardinal said:
I don't think you know what "oxymoron" means. An oxymoron would be "awfully good" or "cheerful pessimist." You see how in each of those examples there are two words that directly contradict each other? The reason "gay marriage" isn't an oxymoron is because marriage is a human construct, an institution created by people, and can be changed by people. The fact that marriage was once by law forbidden to interracial couples is evidence of this. Like gay marriage, the laws were amended, and you don't hear anybody (that you would take seriously, I hope) call interracial marriage an "oxymoron" do you?

"The grand gay experiment." I like that.
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Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
 
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Papa bull said:
Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
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Is it an "oxymoron" if a woman who is past menopause gets married to a man who's had a vasectomy?

Seems your definition of what's natural revolves around procreation.

So if a male and a female get married, but can't (for whatever reason) procreate, is that an "oxymoronic marriage" ?
 
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Papa bull said:
Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
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And that's the beauty of America: you're allowed to hold that opinion. If a racist explained to you in a rational argument why they believe that interracial marriage was unnatural (and oxymoronic) would you even care what they thought?
 
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Dragonfly said:
Is it an "oxymoron" if a woman who is past menopause gets married to a man who's had a vasectomy?

Seems your definition of what's natural revolves around procreation.

So if a male and a female get married, but can't (for whatever reason) procreate, is that an "oxymoronic marriage" ?
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It revolves around the basic nature of mammal biology that parings are always between a male and female of the species. Whether they're fertile or not isn't the defining criteria.
 
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Cardinal said:
And that's the beauty of America: you're allowed to hold that opinion. If a racist explained to you in a rational argument why they believe that interracial marriage was unnatural (and oxymoronic) would you even care what they thought?
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Not a bit. :)
 
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I support both same sex marriage and the legalization of weed. In fact I support the decriminalization of all drugs
 
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Papa bull said:
You would be making a rational point if "same-sex marriage" wasn't an oxymoron. H2O is a good thing but that doesn't mean that every couple hydrogen atoms is just as good (or every couple Oxygen atoms). Oxygen has to combine with hydrogen in order for it to be water. I know. That makes me a molecule-o-phobe.
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We're talking about the government's treatment of a private legal contract. Your discussion of dictionary definitions is irrelevant. Expanding that legal contract to same-sex couples promotes stable relationships in same-sex couples. Any more transparent attempts to dodge the discussion?

You said those family units are the building blocks of society. But you're arguing against promoting those family units... with semantics.
 
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Papa bull said:
Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
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You're right, that is just an opinion. And it's not an opinion that makes sense from a legal standpoint. A legal marriage contract has no particular requirement for procreation. And since nobody is arguing to bar the marriage of eldery or infertile couples, I can only assume this isn't actually any legitimate argument you actually believe, but rather just a retroactive justification for your opposition to same-sex marriage.
 
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I wonder how many people would have voted for SSM if the picture for traditional marriage was two fat greasy people instead of some sort of "perfect couple" with the nice background and all that.

Anyways, capt.courtesy laid a can of major-****ing-whoopass on page 1 and I agree with everything he said.
 
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Papa bull said:
It revolves around the basic nature of mammal biology that parings are always between a male and female of the species. Whether they're fertile or not isn't the defining criteria.
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Incorrect, monkeys have gay sex all the time, it's pretty interesting to see the statistics of certain species of apes that engage in homosexual sex.

Parings are not ALWAYS 100% between male and female. Hell some species it doesn't even reach 75% (Incredible ain't it?)
 
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Luftwaffe said:
I wonder how many people would have voted for SSM if the picture for traditional marriage was two fat greasy people instead of some sort of "perfect couple" with the nice background and all that.

Anyways, capt.courtesy laid a can of major-****ing-whoopass on page 1 and I agree with everything he said.
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If I were NavyPride I would have developed a severe flinch every time my hand strayed near the "start new thread" button by now.
 
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So if the LGBT community doesn't get all they want by the election of 2014 as in 2010, will they sit out this election as both they and the Blacks did in 2010, throwing the House to the GOP? Real smooth move there. Get registered to vote and then vote .
 
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NIMBY said:
So if the LGBT community doesn't get all they want by the election of 2014 as in 2010, will they sit out this election as both they and the Blacks did in 2010, throwing the House to the GOP? Real smooth move there. Get registered to vote and then vote .
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Depends on whether the GOP is dumb enough to push anti-equality ballot measures again.
 
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Cardinal said:
If I were NavyPride I would have developed a severe flinch every time my hand strayed near the "start new thread" button by now.
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You underestimate the phenomenon known as fanaticism.
 
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~SAL said:
I'll second that, and you can throw prostitution into the mix too.
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Agreed
 
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Deuce said:
Depends on whether the GOP is dumb enough to push anti-equality ballot measures again.
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You're right. These ballot measures backfired in key purple state's in 2012 and may again. Too bad it takes reverse psychology to wake up week-kneed liberals who've historically not voted at mid-term--such as 1990, 1994 and FDR's years .
 
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