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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's no where to be found in our laws
    Actually it is, in case law, which are part of our laws.

    From Everson v Board of Education Opinion of the SCOTUS:

    The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."
    Case law is part of our laws. It is the reason why a police officer cannot shoot a fleeing suspect in the back unless the police believe he poses a serious threat to the public or the officers (Tennessee v Garner).
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why do you need the u.s. To be a country that follows your interpretation of christian law anyway? You're free to practice your faith.
    This country and it's institution were founded on Christian principles. Most of us would like to retain that spirit.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    This country and it's institution were founded on Christian principles. Most of us would like to retain that spirit.
    The treaty of Tripoli makes clear we were not. Besides, why does that mean I have to live according to Christian principles? I'm not Christian. As it stands you can go to church as you like, practice your faith as you like, and statistically no one is going to discriminate against you based on your religion. Most people would consider that a pretty good deal.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually it is, in case law, which are part of our laws.

    From Everson v Board of Education Opinion of the SCOTUS:



    Case law is part of our laws. It is the reason why a police officer cannot shoot a fleeing suspect in the back unless the police believe he poses a serious threat to the public or the officers (Tennessee v Garner).
    That applies to what the state can not do. (No state church or authority over church proceedings)
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Yes you can say anything to me. You could say the moon is made of cheese or that the sun revolves around the earth.
    It's nice to live in a democracy where you have freedom of speech isn't it?
    However I am not trying to deny you rights so you would be in error if you tried to say the same things to me. You could say them, but you would be wrong.
    If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That applies to what the state can not do. (No state church or authority over church proceedings)
    It applies to many things. You said to show where in our laws you find that distinction, and I showed you. You are now trying to correct that by putting stipulations on what it specifically means.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.
    There is a reason that we are not and never were meant to be a democracy, but rather are a republic, with a Constitution and representatives. The founding fathers knew direct democracies were a bad idea.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    This country and it's institution were founded on Christian principles. Most of us would like to retain that spirit.
    Too bad. In reality, we weren't really founded on Christian principles, particularly not the Christian principles we currently find now.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.

    If this were a democracy there wouldn't be a Constitution and all laws would be put to a vote. That means that there would be national votes that would apply across the country. So ya, there might be areas that didn't want same-sex marriage, but if the vote to pass SSCM exceeded the vote of subordinate areas then there would still be SSCM in those areas.


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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.
    You obviously don't understand the difference between a constitutional representative democracy and mob rule.
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