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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
    And that's the beauty of America: you're allowed to hold that opinion. If a racist explained to you in a rational argument why they believe that interracial marriage was unnatural (and oxymoronic) would you even care what they thought?

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is it an "oxymoron" if a woman who is past menopause gets married to a man who's had a vasectomy?

    Seems your definition of what's natural revolves around procreation.

    So if a male and a female get married, but can't (for whatever reason) procreate, is that an "oxymoronic marriage" ?
    It revolves around the basic nature of mammal biology that parings are always between a male and female of the species. Whether they're fertile or not isn't the defining criteria.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

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    And that's the beauty of America: you're allowed to hold that opinion. If a racist explained to you in a rational argument why they believe that interracial marriage was unnatural (and oxymoronic) would you even care what they thought?
    Not a bit.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    I support both same sex marriage and the legalization of weed. In fact I support the decriminalization of all drugs

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You would be making a rational point if "same-sex marriage" wasn't an oxymoron. H2O is a good thing but that doesn't mean that every couple hydrogen atoms is just as good (or every couple Oxygen atoms). Oxygen has to combine with hydrogen in order for it to be water. I know. That makes me a molecule-o-phobe.
    We're talking about the government's treatment of a private legal contract. Your discussion of dictionary definitions is irrelevant. Expanding that legal contract to same-sex couples promotes stable relationships in same-sex couples. Any more transparent attempts to dodge the discussion?

    You said those family units are the building blocks of society. But you're arguing against promoting those family units... with semantics.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
    You're right, that is just an opinion. And it's not an opinion that makes sense from a legal standpoint. A legal marriage contract has no particular requirement for procreation. And since nobody is arguing to bar the marriage of eldery or infertile couples, I can only assume this isn't actually any legitimate argument you actually believe, but rather just a retroactive justification for your opposition to same-sex marriage.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    I wonder how many people would have voted for SSM if the picture for traditional marriage was two fat greasy people instead of some sort of "perfect couple" with the nice background and all that.

    Anyways, capt.courtesy laid a can of major-****ing-whoopass on page 1 and I agree with everything he said.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It revolves around the basic nature of mammal biology that parings are always between a male and female of the species. Whether they're fertile or not isn't the defining criteria.
    Incorrect, monkeys have gay sex all the time, it's pretty interesting to see the statistics of certain species of apes that engage in homosexual sex.

    Parings are not ALWAYS 100% between male and female. Hell some species it doesn't even reach 75% (Incredible ain't it?)
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    I wonder how many people would have voted for SSM if the picture for traditional marriage was two fat greasy people instead of some sort of "perfect couple" with the nice background and all that.

    Anyways, capt.courtesy laid a can of major-****ing-whoopass on page 1 and I agree with everything he said.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    I support both same sex marriage and the legalization of weed. In fact I support the decriminalization of all drugs
    I'll second that, and you can throw prostitution into the mix too.

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