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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That applies to you as well, now doesn't it? Marriage is just for children? Not sure where I proclaimed that.
    You seem to be hung up on that:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063663107
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063663380
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063662066

    Oh sorry, my original post was to Simon Feltser. My Bad. However, you do seem to be arguing the same things he is.

    The best solution is to get government out of marriage, turn it all into civil unions that do not discriminate and let NGOs handle marriage. If you want to get married to your dog, whatever, sure, call it whatever you want but you cannot get a civil union with it.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Well, I think you are coming pretty close to it. I hope you will change that by taking the personal tone out of anything else you may have to say to me.
    Certainly. I wouldn't want to be a dim bulb, now would I?

    I'll take your bare assertion that state marriage laws that exclude same-sex couples are unconstitutional for all it's worth.
    It's not bare. You've just been ignoring all the other statements I've made on the subject.

    I'll give that uncivil and personal baloney all the weight it deserves, too.
    You went and decided other peoples' motivations, but I guess it's not fair when others do the same to you. Noted.
    Every statement of the law I have made on these forums is accurate. Calling my legal arguments "pseudo-legal babble" is a convenient way to try to hide the fact you can't even begin to refute them. I'm sure that explains your uncivil tone, too--I've seen it so many hundreds of times on forums like these I've come to expect it. No better way to show everyone how weak your game is.
    I've asked you to supply the important state interest in making the gender-based distinction of defining marriage as between a man and a woman. You have yet to identify that interest.


    Once again, the personal tone. Why don't you confine yourself to my arguments?
    You've leveled plenty of insults, don't whine when others do it too.

    Guess I haven't heard any of them. But then I don't hang around with homosexuals, so maybe that's why.
    On these very message boards. You've never called anyone out for it.


    That's right. In equal protection and due process claims of sex discrimination, the Court has usually applied some form of intermediate scrutiny. So what? That's got nothing to do with same-sex marriage laws.
    Defining marriage as between a man and a woman is a distinction of gender.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Certainly. I wouldn't want to be a dim bulb, now would I?


    It's not bare. You've just been ignoring all the other statements I've made on the subject.


    You went and decided other peoples' motivations, but I guess it's not fair when others do the same to you. Noted.

    I've asked you to supply the important state interest in making the gender-based distinction of defining marriage as between a man and a woman. You have yet to identify that interest.



    You've leveled plenty of insults, don't whine when others do it too.


    On these very message boards. You've never called anyone out for it.




    Defining marriage as between a man and a woman is a distinction of gender.

    I have been very careful to restrict any personal criticisms or mockery to some undefined group of people who hold certain ideas--and never to any particular poster here. So as far as any one person here is concerned, your claim that I have "leveled plenty of insults" is false.

    You, on the other hand, have quite a few times directly addressed me with rude, personal comments--and you are still doing it even after I called your attention to it. If you think your remarks toward me meet the standards of civility on this site, keep making them, and we will find out.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I have been very careful to restrict any personal criticisms or mockery to some undefined group of people who hold certain ideas--and never to any particular poster here. So as far as any one person here is concerned, your claim that I have "leveled plenty of insults" is false.

    You, on the other hand, have quite a few times directly addressed me with rude, personal comments--and you are still doing it even after I called your attention to it. If you think your remarks toward me meet the standards of civility on this site, keep making them, and we will find out.
    Keep with the tone fallacy or respond to arguments. Your choice.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You seem to be hung up on that:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063663107
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063663380
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063662066

    Oh sorry, my original post was to Simon Feltser. My Bad. However, you do seem to be arguing the same things he is.

    The best solution is to get government out of marriage, turn it all into civil unions that do not discriminate and let NGOs handle marriage. If you want to get married to your dog, whatever, sure, call it whatever you want but you cannot get a civil union with it.
    Nowhere did I post that marriage is only for children, as I said. Twisting the facts, misleading, and out right lies. I'm all too familiar with the left's tactics.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    My take on it is a little different. The most intolerant, bigoted people I see are the crusaders for various grievance groups. The irony that so many of them dare to call themselves "liberal" is good for a laugh, because they are anything but. They're mad--and they've convinced themselves their grievance is so righteous it gives them to right to be as uncivil as they please to anyone who disagrees with them.
    I've really never understood that way of thinking. It's somehow tolerant to amend the constitution to forever ban extending marriage rights and obligations to same sex couples? it's tolerant to support laws that criminalize sexual conduct between consenting adults in their own home? And those who would oppose those efforts and who support repeal of laws criminalizing adult consensual conduct are the REAL bigots?

    And is it civil to imprison couples who engage in unapproved sex in the privacy of their home? Bryan Fisher disagrees with homosexual conduct and was surely polite when he expressed support for mandatory reeducation camps (or jail) for homosexuals, but is that actually a 'civil' approach to those who are different than oneself - love who I say you should love, or go to jail? And is that less 'uncivil' than being rude, maybe even occasionally obscene, when opposing such efforts or those who support them?

    But they imagine if they repeat this nonsense often and stridently enough, larding it generously with cheap slurs that anyone who disagrees with them is a hater, bigot, fill-in-the-blank-phobe, etc., their appeals to emotion will make up for their gross lack of knowledge and reasoning. They're confident this kind of "debate" will persuade their audience because its knowledge and reasoning power are no better than their own. And all too often, they're right.
    The nonsense is, IMO, declaring that the REAL bigots are those who work against state-sanctioned bigotry.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    No. I support making marriage available to all consenting adults if they desire it. The only two requirements are consenting and adult
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So if someone has a difference of opinion with you on this issue they are intolerant bigots...The question begs to be asked who are the intolerant ones.

    Let me understand, are you wishing all elderly people from the greatest Generation to die?
    Difference of opinion is ok (altho hey...what do you personally think of racist's opinions?) but it's the attempt to force such bigotry on others and deprive them of civil rights that most object to.

    The bigots are deprived of nothing. Being offended is not protected at all.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Yes--marriage between a man and a woman.
    Supporting text please.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yeah, I wonder what percentage of children are born through normal means vs. artificial? I'm going to guess about 99.9999999%. I may be off by a digit. The remainder is not enough to populate a small village, let alone the human race. It's ridiculous to even think artificial means could replace nature's method.
    Can you please explain how it makes any difference?

    And if it does, then is it completely ridiculous and useless when the millions of straight families have step kids, adopted kids, kids thru IVF & surrogacy too?
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