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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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Ceist said:
You know when you blow up a balloon really big and you try to tie it off with a knot and it slips out of your hands and shoots wildly all over the room making long farting raspberry noises?

Your hysterical ranting on this topic has as much meaning as that.
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Where do you think I got the hot air for the balloon? From you and yours.
 
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Ceist said:
To me, it's so obvious that Lev 18:22 and 20:13 are references to male temple prostitutes when you follow simple honest Biblical hermeneutics.
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I always chuckle at how the pro-gay pundits ALWAYS interpret the scriptures to favor the depraved debauchery they support.
 
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Logicman said:
I always chuckle at how the pro-gay pundits ALWAYS interpret the scriptures to favor the depraved debauchery they support.
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I always chuckle at how the anti gay bigots ALWAYS interpret the scriptures to favor their petty prejudices they support.
 
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Logicman said:
It says get off your own throne so God can assume his rightful place. Got it?
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God's rightful place is on his toilet?
 
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Now we're talking about what this whole debate is about.

It's nothing to do with the legality of SSM, it's alleged adverse affect on Heterosexual marriage, defense of family etc.... it's all about religious dogma.

In many ways a lot of the virulent anti-SSM supporters have much in common with radical Islamists, who I'm sure they hate.

Religious Fundamentalism, Intolerance, ...sound familiar
 
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Logicman said:
I always chuckle at how the pro-gay pundits ALWAYS interpret the scriptures to favor the depraved debauchery they support.
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I'm constantly amused at so-called "Christians" who love to throw around cherry-picked verses to bash people they don't like, but don't have a clue about the cultures in which the biblical texts were written..... or have even read the whole Bible for that matter.
 
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Logicman said:
Where do you think I got the hot air for the balloon? From you and yours.
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The way your posts reek to high heaven, I would have said the hot air came from your nether regions. :D
 
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CriticalThought said:
I always chuckle at how the anti gay bigots ALWAYS interpret the scriptures to favor their petty prejudices they support.
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They cherry-pick bible verses. They choose the bible verses that fit their agenda and ignore the rest. They choose to ignore the dozens of verses about "loving their neighbor" or "letting those without sin cast the first stone", but one ****ing verse about "them homos" gets rammed down our throats continually.
 
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Phys251 said:
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Thats classic

Anyone up for a good 'stoning'?

Gotta be a few posters from here who seem to believe in the sanctity of marriage, moral values etc etc

...now where is my pile of rocks
 
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Montecresto said:
Oh I see. Well that seems selfish enough. It's not an institutional problem because you've never been effected by it.
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No, that isn't why. It's not an institutional problem because you cannot identify any specific harm to anyone's else's marriage. Not a single, specific, tangible harm.

That's because the "institution" of marriage is not a specific, tangible thing. It's a concept, and it's a concept that means different things to different people. You can't cause measurable harm to a concept. Someone else's divorce has no effect on my marriage. Now apply this line of thinking to same-sex marriage.

This is one of the many, many fundamental flaws in the arguments made by the anti-equality side. They simply can't wrap their heads around the idea that same-sex marriage doesn't harm them or anyone else. They personally disagree with it, therefore it must harm something, right?

If you can't identify any specific harm caused to anything, then why on earth should I believe there's a problem?
 
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Deuce said:
No, that isn't why. It's not an institutional problem because you cannot identify any specific harm to anyone's else's marriage. Not a single, specific, tangible harm.

That's because the "institution" of marriage is not a specific, tangible thing. It's a concept, and it's a concept that means different things to different people. You can't cause measurable harm to a concept. Someone else's divorce has no effect on my marriage. Now apply this line of thinking to same-sex marriage.

This is one of the many, many fundamental flaws in the arguments made by the anti-equality side. They simply can't wrap their heads around the idea that same-sex marriage doesn't harm them or anyone else. They personally disagree with it, therefore it must harm something, right?

If you can't identify any specific harm caused to anything, then why on earth should I believe there's a problem?
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Trouble is you can ask the question a million ways and there is still a deafening silence on 'what harm'.

Goes back to make basic point, nothing to do with rational argument, law, morality..all down to some mystical religious dogma.

...and if someone would actually like to answer (finally) what harm, I would love to hear and debate
 
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Seems too bazaar that it escapes people that divorce harms the institution of marriage. In fact it destroys it, one marriage at a time.
 
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Ceist said:
I'm constantly amused at so-called "Christians" who love to throw around cherry-picked verses to bash people they don't like, but don't have a clue about the cultures in which the biblical texts were written..... or have even read the whole Bible for that matter.
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Yes...the 'other sinners', like adulterers and fornicators and even murderers locked up in jail...all allowed to marry/remarry. There is no outcry...never was...there are no movements or campaigns to prevent them from marrying...never were.

However SSM? For which they cant even show any harm? (unlike adulterers and murderers) Gotta stamp that **** out because....um, wait...because?
 
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Logicman said:
I always chuckle at how the pro-gay pundits ALWAYS interpret the scriptures to favor the depraved debauchery they support.
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I always chuckle at how the anti-gay pundits always misinterpret the scriptures and ignore the original Hebrew so they can stick with their disproven beliefs.
 
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I was sat here at home in Thailand reading this whole thread again and got engaged in conversation with my wife and some friends who were visiting. It was amusing and telling the incomprehension they had over why this was even an issue, that I or anyone else would be concerned about this.

Thailand is fairly conservative country on many issues, but gender identity, homosexuality is on their 'so what' list of things to care about.

I tried to explain the religious moral arguments only to be greeted with howls of laughter.

I knew there was a reason I liked living here!
 
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Tonic said:
I was sat here at home in Thailand reading this whole thread again and got engaged in conversation with my wife and some friends who were visiting. It was amusing and telling the incomprehension they had over why this was even an issue, that I or anyone else would be concerned about this.

Thailand is fairly conservative country on many issues, but gender identity, homosexuality is on their 'so what' list of things to care about.

I tried to explain the religious moral arguments only to be greeted with howls of laughter.

I knew there was a reason I liked living here!
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That's cool dude! The "religious moral argument" is weak anyway. If this issue offends someone's religious sensibilities, then like anything else, they ought not engage. Just like we resent the notion of Muslims projecting their beliefs, Christians shouldn't be doing it either.
 
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Montecresto said:
Seems too bazaar that it escapes people that divorce harms the institution of marriage. In fact it destroys it, one marriage at a time.
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Well, the marriage in question was already destroyed. The divorce isn't the disease, it's a symptom. And "the institution" isn't a thing that can be harmed. My institution of marriage is just fine, thank you.
 
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Deuce said:
Well, the marriage in question was already destroyed. The divorce isn't the disease, it's a symptom. And "the institution" isn't a thing that can be harmed. My institution of marriage is just fine, thank you.
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Well I'm delighted for you. In 1900, the divorce rate was 3%, and it is now at 50%, if you can't see the damaging effects of divorce on a society that breaks up the family structure at that pace, I can't help you. But I can assure you that gay marriage will cause no such harm.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well I'm delighted for you. In 1900, the divorce rate was 3%, and it is now at 50%, if you can't see the damaging effects of divorce on a society that breaks up the family structure at that pace, I can't help you. But I can assure you that gay marriage will cause no such harm.
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It isn't actually divorce though that is the problem. The reason that it was so low back then mainly because women had very little rights or options, particularly outside of marriage. A man in 1900 could have his wife involuntarily committed to a mental institution for however long he wanted (if he or some other male relative didn't come to get her, she was basically stuck in there) just for things like not doing housework or talking back to him.

Involuntary Commitment

Husbands ridding themselves of wives via the psychiatric institution was still enough of a problem in the 1930s that the first woman in Maine's legislature, Gail Laughlin, authorized a bill penalizing husbands for bringing false testimony in the involuntary commitment hearings of their wives. I worked with a patient who in the 1960s had been brought to the hospital by her husband. The chief complaint listed on the admitting record was: "Patient does not do her housework."
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We traded the illusion of happy marriages for people actually being able to choose to leave a marriage they aren't happy in, which is a good thing. Divorce itself is not an issue. We need to work more on getting people to actually be more responsible in who they decide to marry and have children with to begin with. We need to work on getting people to think about what they want in life and being able to communicate those things to their potential future spouses/mates. We need to work on getting people to compromise on small things and work on big things and be able to recognize if a relationship really isn't going to work out or if there are some issues that can be dealt with with work, possibly even outside help. But divorce in itself is not a bad thing. Bad divorces, particularly those with children involved, those are the things we need to work to reduce.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well I'm delighted for you. In 1900, the divorce rate was 3%, and it is now at 50%, if you can't see the damaging effects of divorce on a society that breaks up the family structure at that pace, I can't help you. But I can assure you that gay marriage will cause no such harm.
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You seem to be assuming the divorce is the cause of the harm to a family, or to society, rather than a symptom of it.

Marriages were always ****ed up. It's just that in 1900, people were forced to stay in abusive, broken relationships. Is that better?
 
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Logicman said:
I always chuckle at how the pro-gay pundits ALWAYS interpret the scriptures to favor the depraved debauchery they support.
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Okay, THIS is a gigantic crock of steaming hypocrisy laden crap if ever I saw it.

ALL religion is interpretation. Every single person and organization interprets what they believe and don't believe. That's why there are thousands of different religions and different bibles.

Logicman, absolutely 100% of what you believe is interpretation. Whether it's yours, or some other human beings, it's all interpretation.

To say otherwise is truly delusional.
 
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Deuce said:
You seem to be assuming the divorce is the cause of the harm to a family, or to society, rather than a symptom of it.

Marriages were always ****ed up. It's just that in 1900, people were forced to stay in abusive, broken relationships. Is that better?
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Forced!!?? Continue denying the ill effects of divorce on our society, its comical. Interesting that the marriage Institute isn't harmed, but its always been ****ed up.
 
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Montecresto said:
Forced!!?? Continue denying the ill effects of divorce on our society, its comical. Interesting that the marriage Institute isn't harmed, but its always been ****ed up.
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Yes, people were forced to stay in abusive and broken relationships or they simply left without getting a divorce, which wouldn't be in your statistics. In order to get a divorce back then, you had to prove that the relationship was abusive (which was harder than people may believe, since it wasn't even considered rape to have sex with your wife if she didn't want to) or there was adultery (which might not even matter if you were a woman). Plus, there weren't many options for divorced women afterward, so they didn't have much choice even if they could prove these things.
 
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Dragonfly said:
Okay, THIS is a gigantic crock of steaming hypocrisy laden crap if ever I saw it.

ALL religion is interpretation. Every single person and organization interprets what they believe and don't believe. That's why there are thousands of different religions and different bibles.

Logicman, absolutely 100% of what you believe is interpretation. Whether it's yours, or some other human beings, it's all interpretation.

To say otherwise is truly delusional.
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Bull. There was a literal crucifixion and a literal resurrection. And unless the stiff-necked crowd repents and receives Christ as their Lord and Savior for the remission of their sins, there is a high probability they will drop down into a literal Hell.

Be forewarned.
 
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