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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There is a silent majority on every issue....I belong to the Fleet Reserve Association and we have over 100 members and none have ever been polled on SSM.
    First of all - if you are a silent majority -----coulda fooled, well everyone.

    Secondly, are you looking for them to poll your organization or the individuals within. 100 people is not a lot. It would not be unusual for them not to poll you.

    I have never been polled. Oh my gosh, what does that mean??? That means that out of over 300,000 million citizens almost everybody will not be polled.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    As usual that is pure crap....Me and many of my fellow Vets would love to be polled.
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That kind of defeats the purpose of random sampling.
    Ding ding ding we have a winner.

    Specifically polling only a group of 100 people.....how is that random. Oh yeah, because this month they polled Karl and Steve at NPs group instead of Mike and Mark.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I see we are now in fantasy land. Race is a different issue than sex. The attack on the Constitution continues. It will eventually be allowed in all states, but that doesn't mean that the federal government has ever been granted any power by the Constitution to force states to do it.

    I don't believe in it, but if a state okay's it, so be it. If a federal judge subverts the will of the people in a state, and forces it on them, I've got a problem with that. Everyone should have a problem with that. But I know the left, and it's quite alright, if they get there way, the Constitution be damned.
    Race is a different issue than sex. Nobody claims it's the "same" issue. But they're similar. Gender is a protected classification also. Thus, intermediate scrutiny applies and same-sex marriage bans do not pass this test. Constitution be damned? No, friend, you're the one ignoring the 14th.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    We were merely discussing the fact that we can and do base laws on what we consider right and wrong based on any variety of reasons we may have up to and including forbidding what we consider unnatural. It's the truth and you don't have to like it for it to be true.
    And a law based on nothing other than a subjective perception of "unnatural" doesn't necessarily pass constitutional scrutiny.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I think this is a good point that is overlooked, mostly because of PC reasons and that the gay marriage crowd doesn't want to face it. People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
    No, nobody overlooks this. We discuss this fifty times in every single thread. Overlooked? Seriously?

    No, it's been responded to over and over. Procreation is not a deal breaker for marriage. If it were, you would be arguing against allowing the elderly or infertile to marry, or for annulling the marriage of people who do not intend to have children. But you're not doing that, so the procreation argument is disingenuous. It's a smokescreen for what is just a moral disapproval of someone else's actions, a retroactive justification for that disapproval.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A rightwing version of mediamatters or huffington.

    Could be.. However.. when it comes to online polls like that, it will be answered by people who frequent the site, and are those who self select to answer it. That makes online polls less than accurate, no matter which site supplies the poll.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And a law based on nothing other than a subjective perception of "unnatural" doesn't necessarily pass constitutional scrutiny.
    Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, it's been responded to over and over. Procreation is not a deal breaker for marriage. If it were, you would be arguing against allowing the elderly or infertile to marry, or for annulling the marriage of people who do not intend to have children. But you're not doing that, so the procreation argument is disingenuous. It's a smokescreen for what is just a moral disapproval of someone else's actions, a retroactive justification for that disapproval.
    I was pointing out the fact that homosexual sex can not produce offspring and has no role in the continuation and evolution of the species, whereas heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. If people stopped having homosexual sex tomorrow, it wouldn't effect our species in the least, if at all. If heterosexual sex stops, humans vanish from the Earth. Just a slight difference there. Not a comment on marriage, but just on nature.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
    So far only conservatives are talking about beastiality. Seems like you guys are more interested in it than the left.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I was pointing out the fact that homosexual sex can not produce offspring and has no role in the continuation and evolution of the species, whereas heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. If people stopped having homosexual sex tomorrow, it wouldn't effect our species in the least, if at all. If heterosexual sex stops, humans vanish from the Earth. Just a slight difference there. Not a comment on marriage, but just on nature.
    Which has nothing to do with marriage.

    If two people are homosexual and cannot marry, taking away their ability to marry doesn't stop them from being homosexual. Therefore procreation has no bearing on whether SSM should be legal or not.

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