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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

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    Animal abuse wasn't an issue until modern times. Bestiality laws didn't arise from some legal conscience about animal rights.
    Wrong even in the bible talked about animals and about Man tending to animals and not torturing them.


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    Genesis 33:13-14
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Animal abuse wasn't an issue until modern times. Bestiality laws didn't arise from some legal conscience about animal rights. It's a far, far stretch to assert that a horse getting a blowjob is being tortured. But it's plenty illegal. Why? Because it's disgusting and unnatural.
    Not all places have the same bestiality laws or any bestiality laws though. They simply saw bestiality as wrong, which is where many laws came from. However, we are not talking about where they came from, but why they are still in effect. There are plenty of valid reasons to give for why they are and should remain in effect today that have nothing to do with "it's icky".
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not all places have the same bestiality laws or any bestiality laws though. They simply saw bestiality as wrong, which is where many laws came from. However, we are not talking about where they came from, but why they are still in effect. There are plenty of valid reasons to give for why they are and should remain in effect today that have nothing to do with "it's icky".
    You can always think up some sort of alternative "reasoning" for bestiality laws that doesn't have anything to do with "it's icky", but I think we both know the real reason for these laws is because bestiality is disgusting and unnatural. Feel free to deny that if it suits your agenda, though.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Wrong even in the bible talked about animals and about Man tending to animals and not torturing them.
    Are you suddenly trying to assert that the Bible is the last word on our laws?

    Look, cockfighting wasn't illegal in all 50 states until very recently and you can still hook up a mule to a plow and work it's ass off all day long if you want. Animal rights is a recent liberal invention that's still not thoroughly entrenched in our legal system and, like I said, it's not a prohibition against animal cruelty that makes it illegal to give a horse a blowjob. Bestiality is not illegal because animals can't "consent". It's illegal because it's a filthy perversion.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Hmmmmmm there are 100 vets in my Fleet Reserve Lodge that might disagree with you my left wing friend.
    I, for one, couldn't care less. Your vote and opinion counts the same as mine, regardless of your status as a veteran.

    Stop acting like you're More Important because you served. It's unbecoming.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You can always think up some sort of alternative "reasoning" for bestiality laws that doesn't have anything to do with "it's icky", but I think we both know the real reason for these laws is because bestiality is disgusting and unnatural. Feel free to deny that if it suits your agenda, though.
    And you simply cannot prove me wrong. You cannot prove that it is because of what you said. You have an agenda against gays, so I think you might want to get off that little soap box of yours accusing others of agenda.

    The fact remains SSM does not change anything and gays raise children just fine. You're simply proven wrong in all areas of homosexuality. But it's ok, soon your kind will slowly die out or change their views. It's only a matter of time.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And you simply cannot prove me wrong. You cannot prove that it is because of what you said. You have an agenda against gays, so I think you might want to get off that little soap box of yours accusing others of agenda.

    The fact remains SSM does not change anything and gays raise children just fine. You're simply proven wrong in all areas of homosexuality. But it's ok, soon your kind will slowly die out or change their views. It's only a matter of time.
    We were merely discussing the fact that we can and do base laws on what we consider right and wrong based on any variety of reasons we may have up to and including forbidding what we consider unnatural. It's the truth and you don't have to like it for it to be true.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    We were merely discussing the fact that we can and do base laws on what we consider right and wrong based on any variety of reasons we may have up to and including forbidding what we consider unnatural. It's the truth and you don't have to like it for it to be true.
    No it isn't the truth, it's your opinion and it is rejected. You must really be upset that we no longer beat gays to death or imprison them anymore for just being gay. Sorry, but your time has come and gone, don't like it the door out of the country is mearly a passport away for you. Feel free to leave anytime you want.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No it isn't the truth, it's your opinion and it is rejected. You must really be upset that we no longer beat gays to death or imprison them anymore for just being gay. Sorry, but your time has come and gone, don't like it the door out of the country is mearly a passport away for you. Feel free to leave anytime you want.
    OK, you went off the deep end. I'm done with you.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    OK, you went off the deep end. I'm done with you.
    Hit to close to the truth eh?

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