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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You mean your church has decided to be culturally sensitive and overlook some of it's tenets.

    So I reject their stance and your support of it.
    My beliefs are not against homosexuality or same sex marriage, nor are they seen as sins. You don't get to tell others what their beliefs should be, nor do you get to dismiss their beliefs as "unimportant", as you seem to be doing here, at least when it comes to a legal matter. They are irrelevant in this matter, but so too are yours. But your beliefs also are not held at some higher place or level or status within our society just because you believe them. Even having a majority believe some of the same things you do (no single religious denomination holds a majority in this country, and Christians are so diverse in their beliefs, particularly beliefs that have some sort of affect on specific political issues, that you can't count Christians as a whole in this number), does not give those beliefs superiority over any other beliefs. It merely means a lot of people believe certain things.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My beliefs are not against homosexuality or same sex marriage, nor are they seen as sins. You don't get to tell others what their beliefs should be, nor do you get to dismiss their beliefs as "unimportant", as you seem to be doing here, at least when it comes to a legal matter. They are irrelevant in this matter, but so too are yours. But your beliefs also are not held at some higher place or level or status within our society just because you believe them. Even having a majority believe some of the same things you do (no single religious denomination holds a majority in this country, and Christians are so diverse in their beliefs, particularly beliefs that have some sort of affect on specific political issues, that you can't count Christians as a whole in this number), does not give those beliefs superiority over any other beliefs. It merely means a lot of people believe certain things.
    I stand by what I said.

    It's not superiority, it's simply right and wrong.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    It goes against human instinct to mate with the same sex.
    I think this is a good point that is overlooked, mostly because of PC reasons and that the gay marriage crowd doesn't want to face it. People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I stand by what I said.

    It's not superiority, it's simply right and wrong.
    No. It's subjective opinion on right and wrong. Your beliefs that you consider superior to other beliefs that do not think homosexuality is a sin.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sources?

    There are also public health concerns (disease) and genetic concerns.
    Use your head. Consent isn't an issue with animals. They don't have to consent to you owning them or slaughtering them or mutilating them or eating them or doing anything to them. Consent was never the reason why bestiality is illegal. The fact that it's disgusting and unnatural has always been the reason why it's illegal.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Use your head. Consent isn't an issue with animals. They don't have to consent to you owning them or slaughtering them or mutilating them or eating them or doing anything to them. Consent was never the reason why bestiality is illegal. The fact that it's disgusting and unnatural has always been the reason why it's illegal.
    No it hasn't, it has been viewed as animal abuse. It is also illegal to torture an animal to death even if your plans are to slaughter it. You are simply wrong in this case.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No it hasn't, it has been viewed as animal abuse. It is also illegal to torture an animal to death even if your plans are to slaughter it. You are simply wrong in this case.
    I know someone who claims she works as "mouse police" (this isn't her real job title, but I think it is kinda cute). Her job is to actually ensure that mice used for research that is knowingly very likely to kill them (they are bred just for this type of research) are treated humanely and that rules that we have set forth for how these mice can and should be treated are explicitly followed by the researchers.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    At minimum the COTUS does grant the Federal government the power to force each state to recognize the legitimacy of marriages from other states under I believe the Commerce Clause. So if we actually followed the COTUS, gay marriage should have been legal nationwide with the first state to do it. We were actually violating the COTUS when we allowed states to ignore other states' gay marriages.

    Not quite.


    You are referring to the "Full Faith and Credit Clause" (Article IV Section 1) which states: "Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof."


    Notice the second sentence. It states that, pertaining to public acts, that Congress has to the power to define the effects of those acts between states. Congress did that with the passage of the Federal DOMA in 1996. Section 3 of DOMA was ruled unconstitutional (federal denying recognition of legal Civil Marriages entered into under state law), however Section 2 was not challenged and remains intact. Section 2 provided that no state is required to recognize Civil Marriages from other states based on the gender composition of the couple if they choose not to.


    Now, whether Section 2 is constitutional or not - that challenge has yet to be placed before the SCOTUS.



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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No it hasn't, it has been viewed as animal abuse. It is also illegal to torture an animal to death even if your plans are to slaughter it. You are simply wrong in this case.
    Animal abuse wasn't an issue until modern times. Bestiality laws didn't arise from some legal conscience about animal rights. It's a far, far stretch to assert that a horse getting a blowjob is being tortured. But it's plenty illegal. Why? Because it's disgusting and unnatural.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Oh like we're making some sort of deal or something.

    Don't count your chickens...
    Nope no deals....that ship has sailed. Your side only wants civil unions now that marriage equality is becoming a reality. Sorry dude....but this war is over. Marriage equality is now widely accepted by the vast majority of the country and will soon be the law of the land protected by the Constitution. You are just going to have to learn to live with it. Sorry for you. The chicks have already hatched.
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