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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Oh like we're making some sort of deal or something.

    Don't count your chickens...
    It's a done deal. June 2015 at the latest. (end of next year's SCOTUS session) Windsor already decided this case, the rest is just basically bureaucracy at this point. I'd put money on it.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    So, you think it loses at the polls because people might support it, but don't care enough to go vote for it? That's a possibility. See, I don't care about it that much, but I do care a lot that the federal government has no place telling a State whether or not to change how they handle marriage. And I don't consider it an equal rights issue in the least.
    People rarely go out of their way to vote for something that isn't that important to them. When it came to the vote in 2012, it was in NC, a state, like many in the South, that does not hold a majority like the country as a whole does in their support of same sex marriage. That doesn't mean they aren't moving in that direction. NC was also a state that had to have their interracial marriage bans struck down by Loving. Even my own grandparents were against interracial relationships while I was growing up (it was interesting keeping the fact that I was in an interracial relationship in high school from them). Incredibly, both my husband and my father were asked the same question by their fathers when they told them they were getting married, "Is she black?".

    We have been telling states how they can or cannot handle marriage for quite some time when the state tries to wrongly limit marriage based on arbitrary factors, such as race, incarceration, and being behind on child support. Soon sex/gender will be included in that as well.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Many other religions see it as either a sin, abnormality or unnatural. It's far from being just a personal decision.

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    It doesn't matter how many people believe it or how many religions have it "in their books". It is still just an opinion, not fact.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Check the scoreboard from 2012, chief. I'd point at 2014 and make predictions, but it seems all the anti-equality measures are being yanked because the GOP knows they're gonna lose those votes.
    Yeah, who cares about all those States that voted it down! Let's only count the ones that passed it! Jeez.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yeah, who cares about all those States that voted it down! Let's only count the ones that passed it! Jeez.
    When it comes to states that are violating the rights of their citizens (as in the right to equal protection of the law), then no, we don't care that their votes are being struck down as unconstitutional or at least will be eventually.

    But we were talking about the current support for same sex marriage, not single point in time votes of how some used to feel about marriage and whether same sex couples should be allowed to marry.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We have been telling states how they can or cannot handle marriage for quite some time when the state tries to wrongly limit marriage based on arbitrary factors, such as race, incarceration, and being behind on child support. Soon sex/gender will be included in that as well.
    The distinction is that there is not a need to change marriage to include interracial opposite sex couples, there is with same sex couples. Most States have decided not to do that.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    So, you think it loses at the polls because people might support it, but don't care enough to go vote for it? That's a possibility. See, I don't care about it that much, but I do care a lot that the federal government has no place telling a State whether or not to change how they handle marriage. And I don't consider it an equal rights issue in the least.
    So you opposed Loving v. Virginia?

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So you opposed Loving v. Virginia?
    Apples and oranges.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Apples and oranges.
    A case where the federal government told states they could not regulate marriage in a way that would deny people equal protection of the law? Exactly how is it different?

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yeah, who cares about all those States that voted it down! Let's only count the ones that passed it! Jeez.
    Well, I could go off on a tangent about how I really don't care how many citizens vote for a law that is unconstitutional, I'll stick to the subject.

    I'm not ignoring past votes. I'm illustrating how the trend on public opinion has shifted. Lately, that shift has been rapid. The anti-equality crowd really just doesn't have the "will of the people" argument anymore.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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