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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Lursa said:
Since when do liberals or anyone with a conscience support animal abuse?
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Who says liberals must have a conscience? Seems to me all they really have to have are deviant sexual perversions or a burning desire to have the government give them other people's money.
 
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Papa bull said:
Who says liberals must have a conscience? Seems to me all they really have to have are deviant sexual perversions or a burning desire to have the government give them other people's money.
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Yes, because all the states named where bestiality is legal are blue states.

ROFLMAO

Like I said, you are just embarrassing yourself here...you should really drop this attempted line of argument....you lost long ago.
 
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Lursa said:
Yes, because all the states named where bestiality is legal are blue states.

ROFLMAO

Like I said, you are just embarrassing yourself here...you should really drop this attempted line of argument....you lost long ago.
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Right. You think everyone in red states is a conservative and then talk about my reasoning and embarrassment. Thanks for sharing that :)
 
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Papa bull said:
Right. You think everyone in red states is a conservative and then talk about my reasoning and embarrassment. Thanks for sharing that :)
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I didnt say everyone....but the "fact" that that's the way those states vote indicates the majority of their voter base...does it not?

Um...do you know what facts are? I'm starting to think this whole line of discussion would have been shorter if you were clear on that.
 
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Papa bull said:
Who says liberals must have a conscience? Seems to me all they really have to have are deviant sexual perversions or a burning desire to have the government give them other people's money.
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I am sure about the other people's money part. I am not sure about how sexually deviant they are, but I am sure that they would support such behavior if they felt it would get them votes. I really don't know what their limits are there. Take our great leader (please). He needed votes and money, so he supported gay marriage. The funny thing is that the people he used for this still don't have a clue.
 
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Lursa said:
They do reproduce with the opposite sex. ROFLMAO...where do you think all their bio kids come from????

Infertile couples, couples that dont want kids, couples marry in their elder years....also not part of any reproductive equation. (psssssssst! still allowed to marry)
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I guess you are just willfully not going to get the point. Passive aggressive, whatever. Doesn't warrant consideration.
 
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Anthony60 said:
No, you were just making a snarky remark, which is fine, just admit it.
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Not at all, just pointed out the outdated and misinformed statement you made. You know the one absent of facts.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I guess you are just willfully not going to get the point. Passive aggressive, whatever. Doesn't warrant consideration.
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No, your denial that gays absolutely do desire families AND have biological children borders on the ridiculous. I was giving your FACTS.

And since we already know that reproduction has nothing to do with the legal contract of marriage in the US, continuing to think it's relevant also demonstrates a serious lack of ability to comprehend a discussion.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Irrelevant to the point I made.
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Your point was a naturalist argument, that procreation is the point of marriage. Now I'm asking you to respond to the fact that heterosexuals who are unable or unwilling to have kids are getting married and how that affects your naturalistic position.
 
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Cardinal said:
Your point was a naturalist argument, that procreation is the point of marriage. Now I'm asking you to respond to the fact that heterosexuals who are unable or unwilling to have kids are getting married and how that affects your naturalistic position.
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Perhaps I didn't word it well enough. Heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. Doesn't mean all people must reproduce, but a significant number must to continue the species. Homosexual sex? Could disappear tomorrow forever, would not hurt the species at all, it would go on without missing a beat. So, are they the same? Certainly not. Is a homsexual union the same as a heterosexual marriage? Again, no.
 
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WCH said:
Texas voters overwhelmingly voted that marriage should only be between one man and one woman. Of course that was in 2006. We'd be willing to put it to a vote again if it's allowed to stick.
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The majority of Texas voters...hmmmm. I'm a native Texan. I didn't vote for such and nor would I. You're referring to Prop 2 back in 2005. The majority that you speak of who voted for Prop 2 was 18% of the possible voters.

But the thing is, majorities of a like mind, who vote in a particular way, doesn't make them on the right side of an issue...nor the right side of history.


If there any confusion about the Texas voters who did vote on Prop 2...they were indeed folks who went to the polls to express their beliefs founded on their religious tenets.

Anytime there's a morality issue that springs up...Texas is full of bible belters who rush to the polls. And there's nothing wrong with that. Perhaps the secular citizens of Texas being control by religious tenet don't mind..NOW. But eventually they will.

But there's a little document that has the power to overturn religious controlled districts or areas of our nation. It's called The Constitution of the United States.

Texas' Constitutional Amendment was rightfully declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Why?

Judge Garcia echoed his colleagues Wednesday with respect to Texas, saying that "equal treatment of all individuals under the law is not merely an aspiration it is a constitutional mandate."

"(The Texas law) is unconstitutional because, without a rational relationship to a legitimate governmental purpose, it denies same-sex couples the benefits, dignity and value of celebrating marriage and having their out-of-state marriage recognized," the judge said.

In his ruling, Garcia raised notable arguments from some supporters of same-sex marriage bans: that allowing such unions would hurt children raised in them, that it would stifle procreation and that it "could lead to the recognition of bigamy, incest, pedophilia and group marriage."

The judge then shot down the defense's case. "Procreation is not and has never been a qualification for marriage" and "tradition, alone, cannot form a rational basis for a law."
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You are familiar with why this nation is a Republic form of government - right?
 
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Anthony60 said:
Perhaps I didn't word it well enough. Heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. Doesn't mean all people must reproduce, but a significant number must to continue the species. Homosexual sex? Could disappear tomorrow forever, would not hurt the species at all, it would go on without missing a beat. So, are they the same? Certainly not. Is a homsexual union the same as a heterosexual marriage? Again, no.
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Still pretty light on facts here.

--Gays produce straight kids

--Gays desire to continue to produce kids, adopt, etc etc, therefore having families and enabling the continuation of the species.

--Not allowing gays to reproduce (not at issue here) would not lead to MORE kids. The implication this makes is that gays take reproductive people out of the population...like they would 'change' and sleep with women without the option. That is not the case (it's pretty much a 'duh.')

--And as mentioned earlier, they will still reproduce whether SSM is legal or not....just like straight people do. Reproduction is the strongest instinct on the planet.....it's not going anywhere and I have seen no studies that this instinct is less in gays. And again....they produce kids to prove it.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Perhaps I didn't word it well enough. Heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. Doesn't mean all people must reproduce, but a significant number must to continue the species. Homosexual sex? Could disappear tomorrow forever, would not hurt the species at all, it would go on without missing a beat. So, are they the same? Certainly not. Is a homsexual union the same as a heterosexual marriage? Again, no.
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Marriage is not a requirement for reproduction. That can be done just as easily inside as outside fo marriage.
Marriage is a contract that provides rights/responsabilities to those involved.
 
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Quag said:
Marriage is not a requirement for reproduction. That can be done just as easily inside as outside fo marriage.
Marriage is a contract that provides rights/responsabilities to those involved.
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And marriage is between a man and a woman, because it is not the same as a gay union.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Townhall.com is a conservative website... meaning that conservatives frequent it... meaning that any results will be biased and irrelevant.
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Typical liberal logic: “if it doesn't agree with me it's biased, irrelevant, hateful, bigoted, mean, exploitive, ignorant, narrow-minded, unintelligent, retarded, hitlerian, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, masochistic, chauvinistic, maniacal, evil, depraved, smelly, fat, unhealthy, unhelpful, insensitive, individualistic, horrible, detestable, vile, odious, terrible, unbearable, intolerable, insufferable, revolting, repulsive, disgusting, sickening, ghastly, filthy, sordid, horrible, nauseating, repellent, prejudiced, unfair, partial, nasty, atrocious, ghastly, dreadful, shocking…

It’s never, “Oh, somebody has a view different from mine? I wonder what it might be? Perhaps I should inquire of this fine, obviously-intelligent individual exactly what his opinion is and understand the subject as he see it and perhaps even engage in some civilized conversation that may bring us both closer to some objective truth?”

But that’ll never happen ‘cause all Libs know how to do is destroy anything that does not mimic them.

And you, sir! You call yourself “civilized”?

Nothing could be further from the truth!

:mrgreen:
 
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Removable Mind said:
The majority of Texas voters...hmmmm. I'm a native Texan. I didn't vote for such and nor would I. You're referring to Prop 2 back in 2005. The majority that you speak of who voted for Prop 2 was 18% of the possible voters.

But the thing is, majorities of a like mind, who vote in a particular way, doesn't make them on the right side of an issue...nor the right side of history.


If there any confusion about the Texas voters who did vote on Prop 2...they were indeed folks who went to the polls to express their beliefs founded on their religious tenets.

Anytime there's a morality issue that springs up...Texas is full of bible belters who rush to the polls. And there's nothing wrong with that. Perhaps the secular citizens of Texas being control by religious tenet don't mind..NOW. But eventually they will.

But there's a little document that has the power to overturn religious controlled districts or areas of our nation. It's called The Constitution of the United States.

Texas' Constitutional Amendment was rightfully declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Why?



You are familiar with why this nation is a Republic form of government - right?
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That wasn't a bad turnout for an off-year elections.

It was overwhelming.

Yes 1,723,782 - 76.25%
No 536,913 - 23.74%

Like I said, this was nearly ten years ago...let's re-vote.
 
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Anthony60 said:
And marriage is between a man and a woman, because it is not the same as a gay union.
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In my state, marriage is also between a man and a man or a woman and a woman and to them...and many of the rest of us...it's exactly the same.


Again, you state the oddest things as if they are facts.
 
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Anthony60 said:
And marriage is between a man and a woman, because it is not the same as a gay union.
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Why not? because you say so?
Sorry that isnt gonna fly
 
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WCH said:
That wasn't a bad turnout for an off-year elections.

It was overwhelming.

Yes 1,723,782 - 76.25%
No 536,913 - 23.74%

Like I said, this was nearly ten years ago...let's re-vote.
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Well, like I said...those numbers reflect only 18 percent of the voters. There's no need to revote. That wouldn't make it anymore Constitutional.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Well, like I said...those numbers reflect only 18 percent of the voters. There's no need to revote. That wouldn't make it anymore Constitutional.
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It's not the FedGov's responsibility to define marriage so, it falls to the states.
 
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WCH said:
It's not the FedGov's responsibility to define marriage so, it falls to the states.
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The states werent allowed to redefine it to limit races from marrying....so why should they be able to here?

And someone has already posted a long list of religious support for keeping marriage segregated....did you see it? I can repost it for you if you like.

So this isnt based on 'sin.' (Not that any laws should be based on your idea of sin.)
 
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Anthony60 said:
Perhaps I didn't word it well enough. Heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. Doesn't mean all people must reproduce, but a significant number must to continue the species. Homosexual sex? Could disappear tomorrow forever, would not hurt the species at all, it would go on without missing a beat. So, are they the same? Certainly not.
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Rhetoric that has NOTHING to do with marriage. People that are gay will be gay regardless of marriage being legal for them or not.

Is a homsexual union the same as a heterosexual marriage? Again, no.
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It absolutely is because procreation is not a requirement for marriage. PERIOD, end of story. Got any other rhetoric?
 
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Anthony60 said:
I think this is a good point that is overlooked, mostly because of PC reasons and that the gay marriage crowd doesn't want to face it. People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
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Very good point and completely (although not exclusively) true. This however has nothing to do with whether gay marriage should be legal.
Gay marriage should be legal because when two opposite sex people choose to engage in a relationship they receive certain protections and benefits under the law. Two same sex persons making the same choice should be exactly protected. The Bill of Rights guarantees this.
 
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