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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

It revolves around the basic nature of mammal biology that parings are always between a male and female of the species. Whether they're fertile or not isn't the defining criteria.

Not really. If you're going with mammals, there are plenty of herds out there *Papa Bull*...so you'd support polygamy again?
 
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So if the LGBT community doesn't get all they want by the election of 2014 as in 2010, will they sit out this election as both they and the Blacks did in 2010, throwing the House to the GOP? Real smooth move there. Get registered to vote and then vote .

Dream on....they have seen too much progress to give up now.

Not to mention that plenty of people outside the LGBT community will continue to vote on their behalf. Like me :)
 
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I see we are now in fantasy land. Race is a different issue than sex. The attack on the Constitution continues. It will eventually be allowed in all states, but that doesn't mean that the federal government has ever been granted any power by the Constitution to force states to do it.

How is it different? Regarding this specific issue?
 
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The problem here is what you believe is the purpose of marriage. You seem to believe it's procreation. It isn't.

And even if it was, gay families fulfill all the same requirements: they have bio kids, they have step kids, they adopt, they use IFV, surrogacy, etc. Just like straight families...

And that is their goal as well, just like for many straight families....**to have families**. And they do, and will continue to do so, married or not but at least SSM provides additional benefits and legal protections for their kids too.
 
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The distinction is that there is not a need to change marriage to include interracial opposite sex couples, there is with same sex couples. Most States have decided not to do that.

According to a bunch of states, they sure did. Otherwise the govt wouldnt have had to 'force' them to recognize interracial marriage. Many states had decided not to do that.
 
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Actually, I believe the purpose of marriage is to provide legal framework for support of the natural pairing of a man and a woman into a bonded couple. Merely being one of each sex meets the criteria of being the natural form for bonded couples to take. Successfully procreating isn't the defining characteristic.

If procreatoin isnt a defining characteristic, then why does gender make a difference?

Why is the govt supporting a 'natural pairing' so important?

And since being gay isnt a choice, it's natural for same gender couples to pair up.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Wrong. You only need consent to have sex with human beings. Bestiality, incest and other similar perversions are illegal because they are unnatural and unacceptable behaviors.

Sources?

There are also public health concerns (disease) and genetic concerns.
 
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I dont care what gay people do, just as long as they do it in the privacy of their own home. Make no mistake, i believe something in their upbringing made them the way they are. It goes against human instinct to mate with the same sex.

But i dont think the gov should b telling people what to do if they arent hurting anyone

I feel exactly the same way about straight couples too.

However I've never seen gay or straight couples having sex out in public so it's never been an issue for me. Dont predict it will become a social issue either.

But major PDAs? Please keep them all at home.
 
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let me roll a molotov cocktail into this thread.
allowing gays to marry is like letting someone into a golf club who doesn't play golf.
2/3rds of gay people who marry admit they are not monogamous to one another FROM THE START of the marriage.
3/4ths have no plans to adopt/have children.

in short, they aren't in any way trying to live the lives of a standard "married couple". they just want the right. so let's give it to them. They only want it for the "title", not the idea or meaning of the thing. Just let them have it already. enjoy

Sources?
 
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I will agree that television today is filled with sex. I really have to research supposed family programming if i dont want my 10 year old watching the discussion ir simulation of a sex act.

But come on. Gays throw it out there more. Like they want the world to know they are gay and want to prove it. Take michael sam for instance. It couldnt be a gay man and his whatever celebrate his draft day with dignity, they had to start tonguing eachother. Its terrible. Fair, probably not but its the way it is.

I dont notice it more and I'm in an area with legal gay marriage, and lots of openly gay people.

IMO you are just overly sensitive to it because it offends you. You just dont notice the straight people flaunting it.
 
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Hmmmmmm there are 100 vets in my Fleet Reserve Lodge that might disagree with you my left wing friend.

Well then, staying 'silent' you actually ****ed yourselves then, eh?

Cuz SSM is a done deal in the US...I predict within the next year all 50 states....
 
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Your right it does serve a purpose and that purpose is to cheapen traditional marriage.

I'm sad for you and anyone else who's marriages are so weak that they are cheapened by SSM.

Most of us are more secure in our relationships....can withstand all the cheating and lying and domestic abuse and divorce that tarnishes marriage today.

I hope yours survives! Hang in there!
 
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CC I can'tt do that because people like me are in the silent majority and we never get polled............

And thus, your fates are sealed (or issues lost, etc).

You get the point.
 
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A large part of the silent majority don't support SSM unfortunately they or people like me never get questioned on polls.
Hmmmmmm there are 100 vets in my Fleet Reserve Lodge that might disagree with you my left wing friend.

That's because the 100 vets come from a bigoted generation. I'm an afghan vet and most of my generation supports equal rights under the law for all citizens. Luckily you guys are on your way out, so you can take your hatred and intolerance with you.

I am sorry that these homosexuals are ruining your obviously weak marriage. SSM has had no effect on my marriage at all and my relationship with my wife is stronger than it's ever been.

How about LSD in kids' cereals?
Yeah, the point is a no limits libertarian view of the world. There should be no limits on anything. And btw, whiskey cheerios for kids.would be illegal today.

Wtf is the matter with you? LSD in kids' cereal? In an SSM thread? Derail much?

And you've shown again you have absolutely no ****ing idea whatsoever what libertarians believe.
 
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We can now conclude that YOU just hijacked this thread definitively showing YOUR bias towards people who do not agree with YOUR opinion.

Is that one of your functions?

No, we can conclude that I thoroughly destroyed and massacred the OPs premise with rebuttal information of my own. This is known as "debate". Try it sometime. And yes, destroying illogical and/or invalid positions IS one of my functions.
 
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Hitting it multiple times in a roll is rather excessive or should I say obsessive..

If one is going to destroy another's position, doing so thoroughly is certainly the way to go.
 
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I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.

1) Natural law is a fallacy.
2) Research shows that children do as well with parents of the same sex and they do with opposite sex parents.
3) Everything you cited as an "example" was everything BUT two same sex parents.
 
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Well, they still bring up children. And this is a problem. Education of person by same sex parents, surrounded by same-sex couples, can lead (and probably will) to the non-recognition of his gender identity in principle. That is, children will grow as an asexual being. The precedent was when 11-year-old boy who was adopted by two lesbians, said that he denies his gender identity and wants to be like a "two mothers." In this regard, moms started to feed him by hormonal drugs, which have detrimental effect on physical health in this age. Also, because of this education, the psyche of a boy suffered so much that he can not perceive himself as he is

All research proves what you said above has not validity. Thought you'd like to know that so you can adjust your position.
 
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CC I can'tt do that because people like me are in the silent majority and we never get polled............

Excuses, excuses. Of course you get polled. And the "majority" says that SSM is OK. You'd think that if there actually was a "silent majority" who are against SSM, they'd speak out... but since there isn't one, this can't happen.
 
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There is a silent majority on every issue....I belong to the Fleet Reserve Association and we have over 100 members and none have ever been polled on SSM.

And I've never been polled, either... nor any of my friends who support SSM. WE are the "silent majority", and we support SSM.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Guess the founders never envisioned the patent sinfulness of the 21 century.

Let's put it to a vote.

The founders also created a document that helped prevent the majority from oppressing the minority. Let's not put it to a vote.
 
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As usual that is pure crap....Me and many of my fellow Vets would love to be polled.

So would me and my friends.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

I am against legalizing gay marriage. It violates natural law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.

So marriage is just about children then?

What about straights who can't or won't have kids? Should we bar or dissolve their marriages too?

Furthermore, the notion of natural law is really whatever the person who is citing natural law wants it to mean.
 
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I see we are now in fantasy land. Race is a different issue than sex. The attack on the Constitution continues. It will eventually be allowed in all states, but that doesn't mean that the federal government has ever been granted any power by the Constitution to force states to do it.

I don't believe in it, but if a state okay's it, so be it. If a federal judge subverts the will of the people in a state, and forces it on them, I've got a problem with that. Everyone should have a problem with that. But I know the left, and it's quite alright, if they get there way, the Constitution be damned.

At minimum the COTUS does grant the Federal government the power to force each state to recognize the legitimacy of marriages from other states under I believe the Commerce Clause. So if we actually followed the COTUS, gay marriage should have been legal nationwide with the first state to do it. We were actually violating the COTUS when we allowed states to ignore other states' gay marriages.
 
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