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    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I am not claiming Jesus was resurected. I believe He did and every one who dies will but that is my faith and opinion. I dont care to try to convince you since it is a matter of faith.

    The only thing that will make me reconsider what I believe on faith is real evidence. So far I have done this with evolution, the global flood, and the Genesis account; but no one has shown actual evidence that the resurection didnt happen.

    The fact no one has ever seen anybody resurrected doesn't mean anything to you then. .. and when people die, they stay dead?

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    The fact no one has ever seen anybody resurrected doesn't mean anything to you then. .. and when people die, they stay dead?
    For the first part, no it doesnt mean anything to me. Lack of witness doesnt mean something didnt/doesnt happen.
    For the second part, I believe only Jesus has been resurected so far.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    For the first part, no it doesnt mean anything to me. Lack of witness doesnt mean something didnt/doesnt happen.
    For the second part, I believe only Jesus has been resurected so far.
    Which, are the two logical fallacies known as 'Argument from Ignorance', and 'Special Pleading' respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Which, are the two logical fallacies known as 'Argument from Ignorance', and 'Special Pleading' respectively.
    Actually we are both committing an Argument from Ignorance except I am not trying to convince you of anything without proof and you are trying to convince me of something without proof.

    "An appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence." - Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Ignorance

    For the second, I am not saying no one else will not or cannot be resurected, I just am saying they havent been resurected yet.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Wouldn't be much of a religion if it was based on something that happened a lot. Religions become religions because of supernatural events or perceived supernatural events. Science, by definition, doesn't do well with this. However, science isn't an authority, its just a tool.


    The trap that most atheists fall into is that their conclusion is their premise. Miracles don't happen because miracles can't happen. There's probably a fancy latin name for that. Its the same as believers saying the bible is the truth because the bible says so. Two opposite sides of the issue using the same fallacy.



    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    The fact no one has ever seen anybody resurrected doesn't mean anything to you then. .. and when people die, they stay dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    And just because we haven't seen space aliens doesn't mean they're "debunked".
    No, it just means that there is no rational reason to believe they are real. Just like your imaginary friend.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Could you please provide proof that in the hundreds of years that the Romans were in power they never once did anything that was different then tradition?
    You might want to read Bart Ehrman's latest book on the subject. Might stop you from looking ignorant.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You might want to read Bart Ehrman's latest book on the subject. Might stop you from looking ignorant.
    Why, was he there?

    I am not really concerned with how I look to you. If you cant see the difference between debunked and no proof of, then you opinion is suspect to me anyway.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Why, was he there?

    I am not really concerned with how I look to you. If you cant see the difference between debunked and no proof of, then you opinion is suspect to me anyway.
    You got caught up in an old argument of which you are unaware of the context. I am Jewish. Based on Judaism, the resurrection never occurred... so in context of my religion, the word "debunked" is accurate.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You got caught up in an old argument of which you are unaware of the context. I am Jewish. Based on Judaism, the resurrection never occurred... so in context of my religion, the word "debunked" is accurate.
    Thank you for clarifying.

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