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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    It is an example of why at least one right wing person is being so vocal against it though.
    It's not a rational reason though. SSM being legal didn't cause his wife to leave him for another woman. That's like someone saying they are against blacks having voting rights because his wife left him for a black guy. One thing being legal didn't cause the other.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's not a rational reason though. SSM being legal didn't cause his wife to leave him for another woman. That's like someone saying they are against blacks having voting rights because his wife left him for a black guy. One thing being legal didn't cause the other.
    I never said it was. It, however, is very human, and more than a little ironic. When it comes to sexuality, and reproduction, there will quite often be positions that are more emotional than rational.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    I never said it was. It, however, is very human, and more than a little ironic. When it comes to sexuality, and reproduction, there will quite often be positions that are more emotional than rational.
    Well unfortunately for him, in the legal realm (which is pretty much where SSM is), logic and rational thinking is what is driving SSM to become legal.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    No evidence does not equate to debunked. Debunked requires proof against.
    Which I just provided. The Romans didn't operate the way they're described in the myth.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    True, roman custom does say this. In fact, liberal scholars would also say there was no trial, Pontius Pilate would certainly not have been involved in such a minor affair of yet another Jewish rebel. There would be standing orders to simply execute any troublemakers. The story of releasing Barrabas would never happen, the romans weren't in the business of releasing prisoners to appease locals. Its more likely that Jesus was put into a common grave - not even a grave, a pit and his body eaten by dogs.

    However, that doesn't mean that the narrative in the gospels didn't happen. You can't point to custom and likelihoods to "debunk" events. Unless you have actual proof you can only work with likelihoods, probabilities, etc.
    That's about as absurd as saying that the story of Mohammed riding off on a flying horse isn't false because you can't prove it didn't happen. Just because there are no flying horses doesn't actually disprove anything.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Relationships end. That is a part of life. You deem it failure. I see it as an experience. I've had several relationships end. They never reached the point where I wanted to marry those guys, but they were still relationships. That doesn't mean that my failure rate is 90+% in relationships. It simply means that I've had several relationship experiences. I learned from most of them. I learn things all the time in my own marriage. It could end. I think my husband and I have a good chance of making it last because we actually talk to each other and we want our relationship to work. We have similar feelings about how to make our relationship work and what we want in the relationship, about the important things, and the things that we disagree on are unimportant enough that we can let it go to "agree to disagree".

    Having a child can have a 30% failure rate (going off of the rate of miscarriages). The failure rate for the driving test is over 50%, yet we still let people drive and even retake the test many times after they fail.

    Driving test repeat candidates more likely to fail - Telegraph

    46% of people taking their first driving test pass, which means 54% fail.

    And this is wonderful. So many great people failed at so many things. So what?

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    Ok rogue, sure thing. If you think that half of all marriages ending in divorce equals success, knock your socks off. It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Batting average? Sorry I couldn't help myself.
    Apology accepted, mentioned by another poster already as well!
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Failure in the use of something does not automatically equate to the failure of the thing itself. If 50% of the people who buy a car try to use it as a boat, they will fail. That doesn't mean that cars are failures. The institution of marriage in and of itself is neither good nor bad, success or failure. It simply is. It's how people apply it in their lives and whom they enter into the institution with that will determine whether or not that particular incident of the institution succeeds of fails.



    Sanctity is a subjective term and not all people view marriage as a sacred institution. Besides we are not talking about such marriages, we are discussing legal marriages, which run across all religious and non-religious lines. We're not worried if something is sacred or not when it comes to law. The 50% divorce rate includes all atheists and agnostics as well as other religions. So the question is what is the breakdown of rates among all these various groups. I would additionally like to see what the difference in rates are between those simply claiming a faith and those who are devout in said faith. I'm willing to bet that those who are Christian in name only have a higher divorce rate than those who view marriage as sacred institution.



    How so? There are a couple of possibilities there and I want to know which you are referring to.
    Sorry to hit your nerve. As I told rogue already. It doesn't matter what you think of marriage, if you think a 50% fail rate is success, write it down and yell it from the halls, I really don't care. Gay marriage will probably have a similar and failing effect, but hey, they should have a chance at it too!
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Nope. I've already dealt with that.

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    I know you already dismissed it, but it doesn't make it go away, lol.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    And just because we haven't seen space aliens doesn't mean they're "debunked".

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's about as absurd as saying that the story of Mohammed riding off on a flying horse isn't false because you can't prove it didn't happen. Just because there are no flying horses doesn't actually disprove anything.

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