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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
Oh like we're making some sort of deal or something.

Don't count your chickens...
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It's a done deal. June 2015 at the latest. (end of next year's SCOTUS session) Windsor already decided this case, the rest is just basically bureaucracy at this point. I'd put money on it.
 
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Anthony60 said:
So, you think it loses at the polls because people might support it, but don't care enough to go vote for it? That's a possibility. See, I don't care about it that much, but I do care a lot that the federal government has no place telling a State whether or not to change how they handle marriage. And I don't consider it an equal rights issue in the least.
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People rarely go out of their way to vote for something that isn't that important to them. When it came to the vote in 2012, it was in NC, a state, like many in the South, that does not hold a majority like the country as a whole does in their support of same sex marriage. That doesn't mean they aren't moving in that direction. NC was also a state that had to have their interracial marriage bans struck down by Loving. Even my own grandparents were against interracial relationships while I was growing up (it was interesting keeping the fact that I was in an interracial relationship in high school from them). Incredibly, both my husband and my father were asked the same question by their fathers when they told them they were getting married, "Is she black?".

We have been telling states how they can or cannot handle marriage for quite some time when the state tries to wrongly limit marriage based on arbitrary factors, such as race, incarceration, and being behind on child support. Soon sex/gender will be included in that as well.
 
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WCH said:
Many other religions see it as either a sin, abnormality or unnatural. It's far from being just a personal decision.

Homosexuality Comparison Chart - ReligionFacts
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It doesn't matter how many people believe it or how many religions have it "in their books". It is still just an opinion, not fact.
 
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Deuce said:
Check the scoreboard from 2012, chief. I'd point at 2014 and make predictions, but it seems all the anti-equality measures are being yanked because the GOP knows they're gonna lose those votes.
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Yeah, who cares about all those States that voted it down! Let's only count the ones that passed it! Jeez.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Yeah, who cares about all those States that voted it down! Let's only count the ones that passed it! Jeez.
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When it comes to states that are violating the rights of their citizens (as in the right to equal protection of the law), then no, we don't care that their votes are being struck down as unconstitutional or at least will be eventually.

But we were talking about the current support for same sex marriage, not single point in time votes of how some used to feel about marriage and whether same sex couples should be allowed to marry.
 
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roguenuke said:
We have been telling states how they can or cannot handle marriage for quite some time when the state tries to wrongly limit marriage based on arbitrary factors, such as race, incarceration, and being behind on child support. Soon sex/gender will be included in that as well.
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The distinction is that there is not a need to change marriage to include interracial opposite sex couples, there is with same sex couples. Most States have decided not to do that.
 
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Anthony60 said:
So, you think it loses at the polls because people might support it, but don't care enough to go vote for it? That's a possibility. See, I don't care about it that much, but I do care a lot that the federal government has no place telling a State whether or not to change how they handle marriage. And I don't consider it an equal rights issue in the least.
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So you opposed Loving v. Virginia?
 
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Anthony60 said:
Apples and oranges.
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A case where the federal government told states they could not regulate marriage in a way that would deny people equal protection of the law? Exactly how is it different?
 
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Anthony60 said:
Yeah, who cares about all those States that voted it down! Let's only count the ones that passed it! Jeez.
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Well, I could go off on a tangent about how I really don't care how many citizens vote for a law that is unconstitutional, I'll stick to the subject.

I'm not ignoring past votes. I'm illustrating how the trend on public opinion has shifted. Lately, that shift has been rapid. The anti-equality crowd really just doesn't have the "will of the people" argument anymore.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Anthony60 said:
The distinction is that there is not a need to change marriage to include interracial opposite sex couples, there is with same sex couples. Most States have decided not to do that.
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People arguing against interracial marriage said it was changing marriage.

You don't think it's changing marriage to include interracial couples, I don't think it's changing marriage to include same-sex couples.
 
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Anthony60 said:
The distinction is that there is not a need to change marriage to include interracial opposite sex couples, there is with same sex couples. Most States have decided not to do that.
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Marriage does not change legally to include same sex couples than it does legally to include interracial couples. The only thing legally that changes is the restriction is removed. All the couples get married using the same marriage license, with the possible exception to a very minor change in wording of that license. All couples are covered under the same laws pertaining to spouses. There is no true legal change in how marriage works for same sex couples than how it works legally for opposite sex couples.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Not every teen or young adult in the 1960s was a dope smoking pill popping hippy.
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Where in my post did I say anything about smoking dope or popping pills???? Where?
 
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CriticalThought said:
The silent majority refers to people who do not protest in public not to those who hide from pollsters.
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As usual that is pure crap....Me and many of my fellow Vets would love to be polled.
 
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Navy Pride said:
As usual that is pure crap....Me and many of my fellow Vets would love to be polled.
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That kind of defeats the purpose of random sampling.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Deuce said:
People arguing against interracial marriage said it was changing marriage.

You don't think it's changing marriage to include interracial couples, I don't think it's changing marriage to include same-sex couples.
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Its still a man and a woman..I don't care if they are pink, purple etc.
 
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Navy Pride said:
As usual that is pure crap....Me and many of my fellow Vets would love to be polled.
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I get polled all the time, phone calls every week.

But, then, I am in the "normal" demographic
 
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Navy Pride said:
If you say so.
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Yep, middle aged, earning good money, home owner, etc.

Not in the "angry old coot" demographic.
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

CriticalThought said:
A case where the federal government told states they could not regulate marriage in a way that would deny people equal protection of the law? Exactly how is it different?
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If you can't recognize the difference, I'm not going to bother.
 
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roguenuke said:
Marriage does not change legally to include same sex couples than it does legally to include interracial couples. The only thing legally that changes is the restriction is removed. All the couples get married using the same marriage license, with the possible exception to a very minor change in wording of that license. All couples are covered under the same laws pertaining to spouses. There is no true legal change in how marriage works for same sex couples than how it works legally for opposite sex couples.
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I see we are now in fantasy land. Race is a different issue than sex. The attack on the Constitution continues. It will eventually be allowed in all states, but that doesn't mean that the federal government has ever been granted any power by the Constitution to force states to do it.

I don't believe in it, but if a state okay's it, so be it. If a federal judge subverts the will of the people in a state, and forces it on them, I've got a problem with that. Everyone should have a problem with that. But I know the left, and it's quite alright, if they get there way, the Constitution be damned.
 
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Papa bull said:
If you want to know what a community without marriage looks like, just look at "the black community" where more than 72% of all births are out of wedlock. It's a window into what happens to a society when marriage isn't the fundamental building block of the social structure.
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I dont think she said 'no more marriage' or 'marriage is bad'. I think she meant that the govt shouldnt be involved in it.

Do you think most people get married because of the govt benefits? If that were the case, I bet alot more single mothers would be married.....
 
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Papa bull said:
I think the majority of society is just tired of hearing about it. Most of the societies in the world want no part of it and only a small minority of states have undertaken the grand gay experiment of creating the oxymoron of homosexual marriage. You know, even if all the states adopt this absurdity, it is still a natural oxymoron; a human construct that no longer reflects the natural state that marriage was designed to accommodate and support.
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No worries. That (bold) is what sounds absurd but who cares? No one has to care what those people think....it only matters to those who desire it :mrgreen:

Esp. since they are getting it.
 
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