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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Failed word twisting has failed. Deuce and RN are not saying that the institution of marriage itself has always been f'd up, but that a marriage that ends in divorce is f'd up, in one manner or another. Some of it stems from individuals just jumping into marriage without really getting to know their potential spouse at all really. If you meet, propose and marry someone within a single calender year, you might as well start planning the divorce settlement (statistically speaking). Then there are those where one partner is abusive but had hidden it for years or escalated it beyond the other's endurance. These marriages are indeed f'd up. That doesn't lead to an automatic conclusion of the institution being f'd up. Divorce is not the cause of anything regarding the institution of marriage. It is the symptom, the end result. You are putting the cart before the horse.
    If half of all marriages FAIL, the institution is a fail.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, forced. Until relatively recently, divorce was difficult to obtain. You basically had to prove adultery or abuse. Not easy.

    Divorce is a result of a broken family. Not a cause.
    Divorce is FAILED marriage, and presumably, you're suggesting that the divorce rate would always have been 50%, and I maintain that anything that fails half of the time is UNSUCCESSFUL. So perhaps humans should try something other. IOW there is no sanctity to something with a 50% fail rate.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    NP, you think anyone who disagrees with you is a lefty. I've seen you call some OBVIOUS right wingers, lefties, just because they disagreed with you.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It has always had its flaws, but those are outweighed easily by its advantages, especially now.
    50% failure rate would be at odds with that.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceist View Post
    Apparently you believe in a flat disc earth with a dome over it and underneath was Sheol. That's what the writers of the OT described.

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    True enough, and Yahweh inspired Job with a description of the earth as flat, with CORNERS!! Funny enough, Sheol (hell) in your image looks like oil reserves.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I believe our relationships have changed. For instance, we marry today much more commonly for love or attraction than for family honor or status or benefit.

    But the more relevant change, in my opinion, in how it is advantageous to marry has come to our laws. We have divorce court which actually concerns itself with dividing property between both partners in a marriage. We actually consider (or at least are supposed to) which situation is best for children when it comes to a divorce, living with each parent half the time or living mainly with one parent, and the other providing monetary support and visiting the child or the other parent having no contact. There are also protections of the spouses from other family members, particularly upon a death, and these are legal protections for both spouses. There are also protections of the spouse from the other for abusive situations.
    IOW, in our modern disposable society, we have made termination of marriage infinitely easier. Seems that vows are not honoured half the time. That if there was any "sanctity" to marriage, its stepped on half the time, and that its a rather anaemic institution, and not likely to be harmed by same sex marriages.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    50% failure rate would be at odds with that.
    No it wouldn't. You can't prove that it wouldn't have been that level in the past had the rules been more laxed.

    Making mistakes is part of life. Hopefully people are allowed to learn from those mistakes. You can't learn from mistakes that you aren't legally allowed to correct. If people aren't happy in a relationship with each other and can't make it work, then the mistake was probably getting together in the first place, and they can't correct that mistake if they are not allowed to legally separate from each other, legally divorce.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    It's quite apparent you've never really researched the issues. You guys just make the same, sophomoric arguments ad nauseum.

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    This is the terminology used to build things with straight lines, and corners, and not spheres! The authors of the OT, believing at the time that the earth was flat (remember, its only in the last 600 years or so that that was recognised to be wrong) would naturally be describing it as such.


    4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you have understanding.
    5 Who determined its measurements?
    Surely you know!
    Or who stretched the line upon it?
    6 To what were its foundations fastened?
    Or who laid its cornerstone,


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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it wouldn't. You can't prove that it wouldn't have been that level in the past had the rules been more laxed.

    Making mistakes is part of life. Hopefully people are allowed to learn from those mistakes. You can't learn from mistakes that you aren't legally allowed to correct. If people aren't happy in a relationship with each other and can't make it work, then the mistake was probably getting together in the first place, and they can't correct that mistake if they are not allowed to legally separate from each other, legally divorce.
    Neither of us can prove it either way, but if it would have been as high, that would support the notion that its always been a failed institution. What else in life is considered successful with a 50% failure rate?
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Neither of us can prove it either way, but if it would have been as high, that would support the notion that its always been a failed institution. What else in life is considered successful with a 50% failure rate?
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