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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It was an open question, not directed at you or anyone, it just happened to follow you.
    I'm aware, and my question stands.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well just because you're unaware of it.....................when two people get divorced it effects usually many others. And divorce doesn't harm just one marriage, with 50% of marriages ending in divorce, the institution suffers.
    Divorce affects the people involved, yes. But why does that affect the institution? My marriage isn't harmed when someone else gets divorced. My family isn't harmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm aware, and my question stands.
    So does mine.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Divorce affects the people involved, yes. But why does that affect the institution? My marriage isn't harmed when someone else gets divorced. My family isn't harmed.
    Oh I see. Well that seems selfish enough. It's not an institutional problem because you've never been effected by it.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why would there be a need to think about that? "Gay divorce" isn't a thing. There's just "divorce."
    Well, apparently there is an issue with the logistics of it all which doesn't surprise me in the least given that the government is involved.

    It gets more complicated it appears when folks have married in on state then try to divorce in another.

    Maybe this is the direction to go; get rid of divorce altogether, that should satisfy the social conservatives no end....until of course they get caught in bed with a transexual hooker, banging their intern assistant, hooking up with a male boyfriend...shall I go on, begging for forgiveness on television LOL
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Huh??? Surely you jest. I mean if you disagree with it that's your opinion but to say the bible doesnt say anything against homosexuality is just dishonest.
    It doesn't.

    The handful of the typical 'gay-bashing' verses in their original historical cultural contexts and original languages are about:

    - Sacred male temple prostitutes worshipping ancient Canaanite fertility gods. eg Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 (Nothing at all to do with gay men, especially those in loving relationships)

    - Heterosexual men threatening to rape male strangers. eg Genesis 19 and Judges 19 (Nothing at all to do with gay men, especially those in loving relationships). Male rape throughout history has mostly been about heterosexual men dominating and humiliating other men by treating them like they would a woman.

    -Heterosexual men having ritual vaginal then anal sex with women and then anal sex with other men to worship Greek fertility gods in 1st century Corinthian pagan temples. eg Romans 1:26-27 (Nothing at all to do with gay men, especially those in loving relationships).

    *Sex acts between two women are not mentioned at all. (please don't bother quoting Romans 1:26 before reading what Augustine and several other early church fathers had to say about it. ie that the women were having anal sex with the men.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceist View Post
    It doesn't.

    The handful of the typical 'gay-bashing' verses in their original historical cultural contexts and original languages are about:

    - Sacred male temple prostitutes worshipping ancient Canaanite fertility gods. eg Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 (Nothing at all to do with gay men, especially those in loving relationships)

    - Heterosexual men threatening to rape male strangers. eg Genesis 19 and Judges 19 (Nothing at all to do with gay men, especially those in loving relationships). Male rape throughout history has mostly been about heterosexual men dominating and humiliating other men by treating them like they would a woman.

    -Heterosexual men having ritual vaginal then anal sex with women and then anal sex with other men to worship Greek fertility gods in 1st century Corinthian pagan temples. eg Romans 1:26-27 (Nothing at all to do with gay men, especially those in loving relationships).

    *Sex acts between two women are not mentioned at all. (please don't bother quoting Romans 1:26 before reading what Augustine and several other early church fathers had to say about it. ie that the women were having anal sex with the men.
    Wow, gotta say you know your Bible

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, just the OT. I'm Jewish, so I do not deal with the NT. I've posted this many times here, so I will again. Reposted with permission from my personal hero:
    I agree. I would also add more evidence that Leviticus 18:22 is most likely referring to male temple prostitutes who worshiped pagan gods like Molech:


    After the command not to give your offspring over to Molech in verse 18:21, they are being reminded who is God -and not to worship other gods like Molech.

    "I am the Lord" - Meaning "I, not Molech, am the Lord.

    Molech is associated in several places in the OT with giving over sons and daughters to be male and female temple prostitutes.

    Look up references to Molech in the OT to see the connection to shrine prostitutes HERE: Blue Letter Bible .

    Read a brief summary of the historical and cultural context of ancient Canaan:

    Canaanite culture and religion

    It's very obvious to me what the texts are referring to in Leviticus 18:21, 22, 23 and 24:

    Here is how it flows:

    • Leviticus 18:21 was about not giving sons and daughters over to worship of Molech

    • Leviticus 18:22 was specifically about male temple prostitutes (qadesh).

    • Leviticus 18:23 was specifically about female temple prostitutes (qadesha) -(who also had anal sex with men as well as with animals to worship the gods)

    • Leviticus 18:24 was about warning that other nations (Egypt and Canaan) became defiled by worshipping other gods so don't follow their practices.



    There are more than half a dozen verses in the OT about not giving over sons and daughters to be temple or cult prostitutes, yet never again outside Leviticus does it state that men should not lie with a male and women should not lie with an animal.

    eg Deut 23:17: "None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute (6948), nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult (6945) prostitute.



    Strongs 6945: qadesh
    - male temple prostitute


    Strongs 6948: qĕdeshah - female temple prostitute.


    (Strong's Number H6945 matches the Hebrew קָדֵשׁ (qadesh), which occurs 23 times in 9 verses in the Hebrew concordance)

    In Leviticus 20:13 the context is also Molech worship.

    BLB - Lev 20: Law of Moses - Leviticus 20 (Blue Letter Bible: NASB - New American Standard Bible)


    To me, it's so obvious that Lev 18:22 and 20:13 are references to male temple prostitutes when you follow simple honest Biblical hermeneutics. That's not a description of homosexuality or homosexuals or 21st century gay men.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    When you can bust the resurrection then your knee-jerk 'fiction' claims might start to take on some merit. Until then it's just more hot air.
    You know when you blow up a balloon really big and you try to tie it off with a knot and it slips out of your hands and shoots wildly all over the room making long farting raspberry noises?

    Your hysterical ranting on this topic has as much meaning as that.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I find it funny, this notion that the guy who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, citing his objection to homosexual marriage, is the one being discriminated against, as opposed to, say, the gay couple getting married. Absolutely boggles my mind, the logical hoops through which some Christians will leap in order to find martyrs.
    The baker proved that his 'devoutly held religious beliefs' about the 'sanctity of marriage' were pure hogwash when he agreed to bake a wedding cake for 2 dogs.

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