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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Message boards are written communication so without a [HUMOR] or [SARCASM] tag it's kid of hard to know when someone is projecting humor.



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    That's true. But this message board also lacks a significant number of rational human beings, so I let tags slide. Also, it is a sad reality that I can totally understand why my post wasn't obvious humor. This is the modern world we live in, and I shake my head.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Message boards are written communication so without a [HUMOR] or [SARCASM] tag it's kid of hard to know when someone is projecting humor.



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    For me, the "terrorists win" part was the give-away that his post was in jest.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    No one gives a damn what they want to do in their state--let them go around scaring the livestock if that makes their day. I don't get to Kansas often, and I don't have to look at them. But suppose the people who pushed for this weren't satisfied with just Kansas?

    What if they were strident crusaders who were determined to force their views on everyone else, so that they wouldn't feel like the deviants they are? What if they tried the homosexuals' tack and constantly shrieked to anyone who would listen that allstate laws against nudism are unconstitutional, because they are motivated by nothing but naked hostility (couldn't resist) toward nudists--and therefore there they don't promote any legitimate government interest?

    Point well taken.
    Being naked is natural. In fact, wearing clothes is unnatural. We are born naked. There is nothing "deviant" about being naked, even in public.

    And no, I am not a nudist. I am uncomfortable showing my body to other people without a purpose for doing so. However, I don't judge those who aren't uncomfortable doing that, nor do I expect them to completely conform to the rest of society simply because some others erroneously link nudity with sex. That is on those "some others", not those who simply wish to be naked, even in public. I am not uncomfortable seeing others naked (although I wouldn't want to have them in certain places or doing certain things for sanitation reasons).
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The nudists wouldn't need any compelling constitutional reason, if they followed the same-sex marriage playbook. They could just claim that state laws against public nudism were not rationally related to any legitimate purpose of government. That's the basic standard the Supreme Court applies under its so-called "rational basis review."

    If a party challenging a state law on Fourteenth Amendment due process or equal protection grounds can show that the law does not meet this standard, the law will be unconstitutional. The reasoning behind this is that purely arbitrary laws are not laws at all. It at least has to be conceivable that the legislature that passed a law might have thought it was a reasonable way to achieve some legitimate purpose of government.
    Except for the fact that laws against at least full public nudity are rationally related to a legitimate purpose of government, keeping things sanitary for all of the public. Our bodies "leak", particularly certain parts that are normally covered by clothing, areas generally deemed "nude" or "private" areas. That "leakage" is unsanitary.

    Now, certain parts or aspects of nudity laws should be challenged, as I said earlier. And they are being challenged without having anything to do with same sex marriage laws.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    a Fundamentalist I'm not. I don't want Gays corrupting the sanctity marriage and would like cheaters [in a relationship] to pay some sort of price for their indiscretions and you make me out to be a tyrant. 8)

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    Right because marriage is so "sanctified" now with an almost 50% divorce rate amongst HETEROSEXUALS. Maybe you should worry more about heterosexuals ruining the "sanctity" of marriage first less you look like a hypocrite.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    a Fundamentalist I'm not. I don't want Gays corrupting the sanctity marriage and would like cheaters [in a relationship] to pay some sort of price for their indiscretions and you make me out to be a tyrant. 8)

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    First of all, your ideas of what "corrupts" marriage are nothing more than personal opinion and have no place being enforced by laws.

    Second, whether a person is cheating or not should be between the couple, not others not involved in the relationship. And cheating should be only enforced as other violations of oral contracts are, through civil suits or proceedings, such as taken into consideration during a divorce hearing. That should be it. It is a civil agreement and should be handled in civil court, not criminal court.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Keep it in your F-n bedroom, stop trying to tear down tradition and quit making a spectacle of yourselves and you'll be surprised how accepted you'll be.
    Some traditions need to be torn down. In reality though, "traditional marriage" never really existed the way many want to believe it did to begin with.
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    The whole "sanctity of marriage" argument is as ignorant and lame as equating "gay" with pedophilia and bestiality.

    It's just a last ditch grasp at a wet noodle before plunging below the waterline of reason and reality.

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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You said that you would want to make adultery illegal because those who commit adultery are breaking a vow they made to God or before God. I'm saying that not everyone who gets married makes a vow to God, either to only have sexual relations with that other person or at all, and it certainly is not a legal vow even if they do make one, at least not to God. The reason that they can be held accountable within civil courts (such as during divorce) for adultery or "alienation of affection" is because it is considered that a person made an oral promise to another to remain faithful to them with their affections. There are only a few states that still allow such suits (NC is one of them).

    Alienation of Affection: Cost of Adultery

    So, if adultery were to be made illegal, particularly for the reason you stated you thought it should be illegal earlier, that would mean that you would be trying to force people to live up to vows that they didn't actually take.
    No I only referred to MY OWN MARRIAGE
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    Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Right because marriage is so "sanctified" now with an almost 50% divorce rate amongst HETEROSEXUALS. Maybe you should worry more about heterosexuals ruining the "sanctity" of marriage first less you look like a hypocrite.
    Those who take their vows (before God or not) seriously are the 50% who stay married. That's quite a lot of people.

    I already posted an article stating homosexuals who are married don't take monogamy (nor the marriage itself) seriously. Here's another.

    Were Christians Right About Gay Marriage All Along? - The Daily Beast
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