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    Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Groups on the left and right are uniting behind calls to end what they say is the rise of a "militarized" police force in the United States. They say the controversial police tactics seen this week in Ferguson, Mo., are not isolated to the St. Louis County Police Department and warn the rise of heavily armed law enforcement agencies has become an imminent threat to civil liberties.
    Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police | TheHill

    Finally. Something liberals, libertarians, and conservatives can all agree on.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Finally. Let us all hope something substantive comes from Congress. The Tea Party could well squeeze Boehner's cajones and once again prevent Congress from doing anything at all. We will have to see.

    Over a year ago we were talking about the militarization of America on another thread. Not only are police over equipped but far too many government entities have their own law enforcement components. Texas even has a law enforcement component for the state dental board of examiners, dental cops.

    1. When you have budget restraints, and all law enforcement agencies, departments, etc. do, everyone and everything is going to have to be justified. If you have a personnel who do nothing but train and sit on their asses, if you have MRAPs and APCs and tanks, and offense equipment you are going to have to use them or they are going to get cut from the budget. It doesn't matter if you get tanks and helicopters for free, they must be maintained. People must be assigned to them for training and for maintenance. Same with SWAT and the like. So you have SWAT teams serving routine warrants and tanks showing up during community unrest.

    2. Also, if you train for a specific job and for various equipment, you want to put it use. Somehow cops used to be able to talk a lot of people down from agitated positions, not always, but probably more than now. Now we have cops tasing people at the first provocation. One reason that happens is because they've been trained on the function and use of tasers and every cop has one. One wonders how much time is spend on the ethics of using tasers.

    Is anyone surprised that cops trained to use offensive, military, equipment and tactics want to put all that training and equipment to use?

    3. There is a public presence now that is everywhere. Football season is coming soon. When you watch college games watch the cops behind the coaches when the coaches are interviewed on the field. Most of the times the cops are all stern faced and vigilant, right behind the coach as if to protect the coach from news media or maybe a streaker. It happens even at half time.

    OK, I get it, fans can become fanatical. It is a rare occurrence that the coach is threatened. It isn't a rare occurrence that the officials are threatened after a game and most of the time the officials have no police protection, certainly no immediate on field "protection" that the coaches have.

    Probably one of the most family and most fun sporting events I enjoy is Cactus League baseball every spring. It's great. During play they have cops on field facing the scanning the fans the entire game.

    Are cops bad people? I am not saying that. I am saying that cops have been sent the wrong message. We don't want a police state. We don't want cops with tanks. We don't want cops throwing female university professors face first into street as happened at Arizona State University because the lady asked the cop why he wanted to see her ID. Law enforcement needs to hear a new message.










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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    It's up to the local police force to "demilitarize" or not. Does Congress make it easier by providing cheap/free equipment? Yes, but this responsibility is primarily local.
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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    I want to know when the public will pressure Congress to be competent.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Good to see, but I doubt it will change. The militarization started because of the drug war, and many have been objecting to that for decades.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    If people want to demilitarize the police, that is fine but then they also need to make it easier to mobilize the national guard then. The drug cartels and gangs have weaponry far superior to any "normal" police force.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If people want to demilitarize the police, that is fine but then they also need to make it easier to mobilize the national guard then. The drug cartels and gangs have weaponry far superior to any "normal" police force.
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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Embrace your inner fears and the propaganda that sustain them.
    No fears, fact. If you think gangs and the likes aren't packing heavier than the normal police, you are living in fantasy land. If people don't want the police to be militarized, that's fine but then there NEEDS to be a military used against these thugs when the police aren't equiped enough to handle them.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No fears, fact. If you think gangs and the likes aren't packing heavier than the normal police, you are living in fantasy land. If people don't want the police to be militarized, that's fine but then there NEEDS to be a military used against these thugs when the police aren't equiped enough to handle them.
    Fact?

    Have you seen the military equipment being used in Ferguson MO?

    My small home town police have a brand spanking new MRAP, and the armory has a handful of automatic weapons, AR-15 type.

    What examples might you offer of drug gangs having superior fire power to the police?

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police | TheHill

    Finally. Something liberals, libertarians, and conservatives can all agree on.
    Actually, this Libertarian would prefer that her local police force (which my taxes pay for) decide what's right for our town, not the idiots in DC. I'm also not a big fan of these kinds of things. After Sandy Hook it was all about making gun laws stricter, and so on.

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