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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Fact?

    Have you seen the military equipment being used in Ferguson MO?

    My small home town police have a brand spanking new MRAP, and the armory has a handful of automatic weapons, AR-15 type.

    What examples might you offer of drug gangs having superior fire power to the police?
    Hey Henry

    I think when Era says "normal police" he is talking about ordinary, pistol-wielding police officers. Not the militarized thugs we see in Ferguson.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Actually, this Libertarian would prefer that her local police force (which my taxes pay for) decide what's right for our town, not the idiots in DC. I'm also not a big fan of these kinds of things. After Sandy Hook it was all about making gun laws stricter, and so on.
    Hey tres

    Local police departments would not have the funds to become a small army if they weren't receiving funds and equipment from the federal government. Ferguson only has the equipment they have because the Pentagon gave it to them.

    Demilitarizing the police would really only entail repealing DoD program 1033, which would have to be done at a federal level.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

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    Hey tres

    Local police departments would not have the funds to become a small army if they weren't receiving funds and equipment from the federal government. Ferguson only has the equipment they have because the Pentagon gave it to them.

    Demilitarizing the police would really only entail repealing DoD program 1033, which would have to be done at a federal level.
    Hi Kitty

    Ferguson only needs the equipment because of what's going on there. I would rather my PD have access to that if something similar happened in my town. I believe that some people are truly dangerous. I want to be protected from them. Can't get behind this....and I think Congressman Johnson needs to worry more about Guam capsizing than what's good for Main Street in my town.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hi Kitty

    Ferguson only needs the equipment because of what's going on there. I would rather my PD have access to that if something similar happened in my town. I believe that some people are truly dangerous. I want to be protected from them. Can't get behind this....and I think Congressman Johnson needs to worry more about Guam capsizing than what's good for Main Street in my town.
    Well, Ferguson had this equipment long before the riots. It's not like they were sent the equipment specifically to deal with this one situation in particular. They've had it, they've used it before, and they shouldn't have it to begin with IMO.

    Besides, the equipment they brandished was excessive...even for the situation at hand. The Ferguson police showing up in military gear only added fuel to the fire. Intentionally targeting reporters and shutting down their equipment? More fuel to the fire.

    We need our peace officers back, and we should have a national guard unit on standby for the situation regular officers can't handle. There should be legitimate and probable cause for having to deploy the national guard (we don't need another Kent State incident) and even the national guard units should not be obsessively armed. If you need to deploy an army, deploy the army.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Okay, I guess we'll disagree on this.

    I'll wait until Congress puts out something that isn't a knee jerk reaction to a big story.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Demilitarize the police, that is just pandering to the minority vote. With the silliness going on in Ferguson, some of you want less police power. Have you noticed that there are riots and the National Guard had to be called. Maybe some of you want dead cops in the street and a repeal of the 3rd amendment so you will be safe. I am sorry but weakening the police will just allow the criminal element in our society to thrive. Only people who would support that are, people pandering to the minority vote and the George Zimmerman School of Public Safety.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Demilitarize the police, that is just pandering to the minority vote. With the silliness going on in Ferguson, some of you want less police power. Have you noticed that there are riots and the National Guard had to be called. Maybe some of you want dead cops in the street and a repeal of the 3rd amendment so you will be safe. I am sorry but weakening the police will just allow the criminal element in our society to thrive. Only people who would support that are, people pandering to the minority vote and the George Zimmerman School of Public Safety.
    I don't think people are objecting to the power the police have, the authority they have, we are objecting to the EQUIPMENT they have, specifically, the military equipment they have that is designed for a war zone.

    Equipment, and to a large degree, the tactics they employ nationwide. Such as "No Knock" raids, flash-bang devices and tactics that most of the time wound or kill innocents including children.

    No longer Peace Officers, today's cops are more like soldiers on a search and destroy mission.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I don't think people are objecting to the power the police have, the authority they have, we are objecting to the EQUIPMENT they have, specifically, the military equipment they have that is designed for a war zone.

    Equipment, and to a large degree, the tactics they employ nationwide. Such as "No Knock" raids, flash-bang devices and tactics that most of the time wound or kill innocents including children.

    No longer Peace Officers, today's cops are more like soldiers on a search and destroy mission.
    Yeah well, when Ferguson looks looks like Fallujah, there is a problem. Maybe a conversation on what the Police does is a worthy topic, but when you got people acting like animals in the streets in an American city, to me it just seems like pandering to the minority vote when tacking that on to the unrest in Ferguson.

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    Re: Congress under pressure from left and right to 'demilitarize' police

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Yeah well, when Ferguson looks looks like Fallujah, there is a problem. Maybe a conversation on what the Police does is a worthy topic, but when you got people acting like animals in the streets in an American city, to me it just seems like pandering to the minority vote when tacking that on to the unrest in Ferguson.
    Frequently people act like animals. Some of those people are wearing police uniforms and others are not. Man's inhumanity to man is a well known dynamic. The rule of law is supposed to compensate for that dark side.

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