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Alleged friend of the officer who shot Michael Brown calls into radio show...

This wont get much attention, when it comes out, the media will be yelling about how their is no justice for black people.
 
Do you seriously think that an Officer isn't going to discuss such a situation with his significant other??? Could you refuse to speak to them about it if it was you?

I know I couldn't.

I don't think I could either. But I've known first-responders who could, and I know this because there there was a terrible tragedy in my community, the collapse of a structure that killed 12 people and injured many more. Within the first 48 hours just about every cop, firefighter, and paramedic I'd ever worked work just somehow showed up my office to say hi even if I hadn't seen him or her in a few years.

Everything was so crazy at the time--reporters from everywhere, even the BBC--that I didn't realize what the deal was for a few days. But then I understood that they had dropped by "just to say hey" because they had stuff they had to speak aloud about to somebody that they didn't want to take home to their families because it was so terrible.
 
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The catch-all at this point will be the ballistics report. If Wilson's sidearm was discharged in his vehicle, it will support his side of the story more so than the witnesses. Add on the side recording of the guy saying he saw Brown charge the officer, than Wilson should not be charged and this deemed a justified shooting. Could be further supported if there are gun powder residue on Brown's clothing.

Sorry, an unarmed man at 6'4" 240lb charging you after already trying for your weapon justifies use of force.

Of course, just speculation. Still on the fence until more facts emerge.
 
A source with knowledge of the investigation says a radio caller's account matches the one given by Officer David Wilson.


 
I have a feeling the caller is probably telling a accurate version of the Officer's story. I don't think her going on a talk show telling the story did the officer any favors though. Same goes for Brown's friend who gets a lot of interviews, a accomplice to a robbery isn't the best person to have vouch for you.
 
No matter what there will be a civil suit by the family, imo.
 
I have a feeling the caller is probably telling a accurate version of the Officer's story. I don't think her going on a talk show telling the story did the officer any favors though. Same goes for Brown's friend who gets a lot of interviews, a accomplice to a robbery isn't the best person to have vouch for you.

They both need better lawyers to tell them to keep their mouths shut while the investigation is ongoing.
 
They both need better lawyers to tell them to keep their mouths shut while the investigation is ongoing.

Exactly. The friend has a lawyer, they gave the name, I want to say it was Crump. But yeah the kid needs to shut up. I still don't understand why he hasn't been arrested after seeing the video.

As for Josie, yeah no help there either.

These kinds of cases usually hinge on one thing to me. With Martin it was the alley way and lack of addresses that to me did Zimmerman in (in this case the jury didn't see it my way :lol: )

But this whole Brown thing that video from the store pretty much seals his guilt to me. He robbed a store and everyone who is protesting is like "so what!" If that store clerk had had a gun, we wouldn't be even having this conversation and Brown's life might have been 10mins shorter or better yet he might have dropped the cigars and ran out and be alive today.
 
Exactly. The friend has a lawyer, they gave the name, I want to say it was Crump. But yeah the kid needs to shut up. I still don't understand why he hasn't been arrested after seeing the video.

As for Josie, yeah no help there either.

These kinds of cases usually hinge on one thing to me. With Martin it was the alley way and lack of addresses that to me did Zimmerman in (in this case the jury didn't see it my way :lol: )

But this whole Brown thing that video from the store pretty much seals his guilt to me. He robbed a store and everyone who is protesting is like "so what!" If that store clerk had had a gun, we wouldn't be even having this conversation and Brown's life might have been 10mins shorter or better yet he might have dropped the cigars and ran out and be alive today.

Hey Voyager!

Yes, Crump is the ambulance chaser representing the family. Is he representing the little thief as well?

Good point about the store owner and the gun. I wonder if the protestors would be looting and robbing and screaming so much if it was the store owner who shot him?
 
A store owner doesn't have the right to shoot someone for stealing his product. Let's make that absolutely clear. Lethal force is only justified in defense of lethal force, not property. If the store owner had shot Brown this would be a much clearer case -- in favor of conviction.

As for the friend not being arrested, that makes a lot of practical sense because can you imagine what the community -- already convinced of police corruption -- would do? That kid will never be arrested for that robbery. Which is understandable, but it doesn't set the best precedent for future incidents like this -- concoct some story of police abuse, rally an angry community behind you, and get off criminal charges! Not saying this story is concocted -- that remains to be seen -- but...you know what I mean.
 
A store owner doesn't have the right to shoot someone for stealing his product. Let's make that absolutely clear. Lethal force is only justified in defense of lethal force, not property. If the store owner had shot Brown this would be a much clearer case -- in favor of conviction.

As for the friend not being arrested, that makes a lot of practical sense because can you imagine what the community -- already convinced of police corruption -- would do? That kid will never be arrested for that robbery. Which is understandable, but it doesn't set the best precedent for future incidents like this -- concoct some story of police abuse, rally an angry community behind you, and get off criminal charges! Not saying this story is concocted -- that remains to be seen -- but...you know what I mean.

I understand what you are saying, but I think the clerk could make the claim he feared for his life after seeing that video.
 
A store owner doesn't have the right to shoot someone for stealing his product. Let's make that absolutely clear. Lethal force is only justified in defense of lethal force, not property. If the store owner had shot Brown this would be a much clearer case -- in favor of conviction.

As for the friend not being arrested, that makes a lot of practical sense because can you imagine what the community -- already convinced of police corruption -- would do? That kid will never be arrested for that robbery. Which is understandable, but it doesn't set the best precedent for future incidents like this -- concoct some story of police abuse, rally an angry community behind you, and get off criminal charges! Not saying this story is concocted -- that remains to be seen -- but...you know what I mean.

Not necessarily. It's pretty clear in the video that Brown threatened the store owner. He could claim self-defense, and a lot of people would see it that way.
 
Sources within the investigation under condition of anonymity confirmed to the cable news outlets that the content of this radio call-in is consistent with Darren Wilson's official statement.

That does not make the statement accurate, of course.

However, according to a St. Louis newspaper reporter, there are now also "over a dozen" witnesses that have made statements to the police that back up his statement.

There is also a cellphone video from the scene where a witness tells someone walking up and asking what happened that he saw the fight in the officer's window, saw Wilson give chase, saw Brown turn around, get shot and keep coming. There is literally no way for these two - random bystander man and wife's friend on radio show - to have independently coordinated these details.


You want eyewitnesses, but some witness statements will invariably not align with objective evidence and some will.

At this time, the claims that Wilson needlessly executed Brown or that Brown had surrendered are becoming increasingly dubious and less likely.
 
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Hey Voyager!

Yes, Crump is the ambulance chaser representing the family. Is he representing the little thief as well?

Good point about the store owner and the gun. I wonder if the protestors would be looting and robbing and screaming so much if it was the store owner who shot him?

Judging from what I have been reading, it would depend entirely upon the race of the store owner! And how does looting and destroying buildings make someone feel better about what happened anyway? It's simply a case of stealing what you want when events turn chaotic - nothing more. Sad commentary on the times we live in. And the people who are egging them on should be told to STFU! This is not Africa or the Mid East, and if they agree with that type of thinking, they should consider moving there. They might learn that having a hand cut off when you steal something is something to consider in advance. :shock:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:
 
Judging from what I have been reading, it would depend entirely upon the race of the store owner! And how does looting and destroying buildings make someone feel better about what happened anyway? It's simply a case of stealing what you want when events turn chaotic - nothing more. Sad commentary on the times we live in. And the people who are egging them on should be told to STFU! This is not Africa or the Mid East, and if they agree with that type of thinking, they should consider moving there. They might learn that having a hand cut off when you steal something is something to consider in advance. :shock:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:


Good morning Pol!

Love your post. If I could give it more than one like, I would!
 
Sources within the investigation under condition of anonymity confirmed to the cable news outlets that the content of this radio call-in is consistent with Darren Wilson's official statement.

That does not make the statement accurate, of course.

However, according to a St. Louis newspaper reporter, there are now also "over a dozen" witnesses that have made statements to the police that back up his statement.

There is also a cellphone video from the scene where a witness tells someone walking up and asking what happened that he saw the fight in the officer's window, saw Wilson give chase, saw Brown turn around, get shot and keep coming. There is literally no way for these two - random bystander man and wife's friend on radio show - to have independently coordinated these details.


You want eyewitnesses, but some witness statements will invariably not align with objective evidence and some will.

At this time, the claims that Wilson needlessly executed Brown or that Brown had surrendered are becoming increasingly dubious and less likely.

I hope this matters. It won't today; Wilson is the ham sandwich who's going to be indicted.
 
Lethal force is only justified in defense of lethal force,
That simply isn't true.
Lethal force can usually be used to protect against and stop forcible felonies (like rape), and immanent great bodily harm.
And then we have different standards under castle doctrines.
So no, it isn't only justified in defense of lethal force.
 
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