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Alleged friend of the officer who shot Michael Brown calls into radio show...

Krhazy said:
A store owner doesn't have the right to shoot someone for stealing his product. Let's make that absolutely clear. Lethal force is only justified in defense of lethal force, not property. If the store owner had shot Brown this would be a much clearer case -- in favor of conviction.

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That's not true even for citizens. In most states we can use lethal force also to prevent gross bodily harm and to prevent a forcible felony (states may phrase this differently). And TX allows lethal force in the protection of property. Castle Law is also a departure from direct lethal force/et. al. and most states have this or a variation on it.
 
Excon said:
Brown was running towards the Officer as the Officer was shooting at him. That is an eyewitness account.
The hearsay evidence, supposedly confirmed by Official sources, and reportedly by 12 other witnesses accounts, was that it was a bum-rush.
That is charging with head down.
That would explain exactly what the the Private autopsy indicated, just as Brown falling forward during his run, as the Officer continued to shoot.

The point being, while it is hearsay evidence of the Officer's account, bum-rush is exactly what has been described.
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No...a bum's rush involves grabbing a person and forcibly throwing them somewhere. If you wish to speculate that that was Brown's intent....good for you.
 
Fishstyx said:
His gun was drawn so reaction time is minimal. Distances released thus far have been conflicting. Furthermore, you're basing a fifteen foot "sprint" on your capabilities. Are you nearly 300lbs? Conceivable that Brown slowed down has the shots made impact? Most with some training can get off 8 shots in 3-4 seconds.

Unless you've seen the crime scene information in the investigation, logically...you're just assuming.
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The Tuelller Drill is taught to all cops (pretty much) and is credible in court.

It proves that a person can charge at another person from a distance of 22-23 feet and reach them/kill them before the other person can draw, aim, and pull the trigger to stop them.

I doubt that his size factors in, not at such a young age.
 
Lursa said:
No...a bum's rush involves grabbing a person and forcibly throwing them somewhere. If you wish to speculate that that was Brown's intent....good for you.
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:naughty
It can mean that.


But there are several meanings.

It also means what is described.
bum-rush
: to attack or move toward (someone or something) in a forceful and violent way​
Bum-rush - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary​


As for speculating?
No, that is what is reportable supposed to have happened. Which is why I went through the trouble of pointing out the supposedly confirmed hearsay account.
 
Excon said:
:naughty


But there are several meanings.

It also means what is described.
bum-rush
: to attack or move toward (someone or something) in a forceful and violent way​
Bum-rush - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary​


As for speculating?
No, that is what is reportable supposed to have happened. Which is why I went through the trouble of pointing out the supposedly confirmed hearsay account.
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Etymology[edit]
The phrase dates back to 1910 (US).

Noun[edit]
bum's rush (plural bum's rushes)

(chiefly North America, slang, idiomatic) Forcible ejection from an establishment, as of a bum (hobo).
Related terms[edit]


The recent trend (Urban dictionary) in using the term means nothing more than charging.

And the rest of the implications from your post:

Excon said:
Brown was running towards the Officer as the Officer was shooting at him. That is an eyewitness account.
The hearsay evidence, supposedly confirmed by Official sources, and reportedly by 12 other witnesses accounts, was that it was a bum-rush.
That is charging with head down.
That would explain exactly what the the Private autopsy indicated, just as Brown falling forward during his run, as the Officer continued to shoot.
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have ZERO to do with me or anything I have written. Go peddle your fantasies elsewhere.
 
Lursa said:
tymology[edit]
The phrase dates back to 1910 (US).

Noun[edit]
bum's rush (plural bum's rushes)

(chiefly North America, slang, idiomatic) Forcible ejection from an establishment, as of a bum (hobo).
Related terms[edit]


The recent trend (Urban dictionary) in using the term means nothing more than charging.

And the rest of the implications from your post have ZERO to do with me or anything I have written. Go peddle your fantasies elsewhere.
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The only one that appears to have fantasies here is you. So can your ridiculous hostilities.

Nothing you said changes anything I have said, and what I said was far more relevant to this topic than anything you have said.

Had you bothered to notice, you are even wrong about what is being used. At no time did anybody say the Offers was receiving a Bum's rush.
I provided the definition from Merriam Webster's dictionary.
The next word/phrase that comes after bum-rush is "bum's rush".
 
Excon said:
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The only one that appears to have fantasies here is you. So can your ridiculous hostilities.

Nothing you said changes anything I have said, and what I said was far more relevant to this topic than anything you have said.

Had you bothered to notice, you are even wrong about what is being used. At no time did anybody say the Offers was receiving a Bum's rush.
I provided the definition from Merriam Webster's dictionary.
The next word/phrase that comes after bum-rush is "bum's rush".
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I never gave a **** about what you said.

I commented on 'bums rush.'

And your tirade on my comment is self-indulgent garbage, as I never said anything about this:

Excon said:
Brown was running towards the Officer as the Officer was shooting at him. That is an eyewitness account.
The hearsay evidence, supposedly confirmed by Official sources, and reportedly by 12 other witnesses accounts, was that it was a bum-rush.
That is charging with head down.
That would explain exactly what the the Private autopsy indicated, just as Brown falling forward during his run, as the Officer continued to shoot.
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You just like to 'hear yourself talk.' Or see it onscreen as it applies here.

Edit: please do not whine further at me. Not interested.
 
Lursa said:
I never gave a **** about what you said.

I commented on 'bums rush.'

And your tirade on my comment is self-indulgent garbage, as I never said anything about this:
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Throw your tantrum elsewhere. You were wrong.
So just admit it and drive on.


Lursa said:
You just like to 'hear yourself talk.' Or see it onscreen as it applies here.

Edit: please do not whine further at me. Not interested.
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:doh Sad.
Knock off your childish hostilities.
 
Excon said:
Throw your tantrum elsewhere. You were wrong.
So just admit it and drive on.
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Yes...take your self-indulgence and move on.

Your content is lacking.
 
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Lursa said:
Yes...take your self-indulgence and move on.

Your content is lacking.
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:doh
More childish antics figures.
My content was accurate to the subject, yours was not.
 
Excon said:
:doh Sad.
Knock off your childish hostilities.
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Lursa said:
And your tirade on my comment is self-indulgent garbage, as I never said anything about this:

Edit: please do not whine further at me. Not interested.
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Excon said:
Brown was running towards the Officer as the Officer was shooting at him. That is an eyewitness account.
The hearsay evidence, supposedly confirmed by Official sources, and reportedly by 12 other witnesses accounts, was that it was a bum-rush.
That is charging with head down.
That would explain exactly what the the Private autopsy indicated, just as Brown falling forward during his run, as the Officer continued to shoot.
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Lursa said:
You just like to 'hear yourself talk.' Or see it onscreen as it applies here.
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You have gone off-topic defending yourself.

Again, I am not interested. Buh bye.
 
Dear God I hope this doesnt degenerate into Excon flooding the thread with 'ridiculous' and 'nonsense' without providing substance to his claims. The rest of the forum doesnt deserve it and I cant be bothered jollying him along. I am here for an actual discussion.

Mods: I do not plan on indulging him.
 
Lursa said:
You have gone off-topic defending yourself.

Again, I am not interested. Buh bye.
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More childish antics from you. Why does that figure?
As pointed out, you were wrong. It was bum-rush, not bum's rush.
I guess you just don't like that being pointed out.
 
Lursa said:
I am here for an actual discussion.
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No you are not.
Had you been you would have accepted that there is a difference between the two, and you were mistaken for using the one you were.
Then the discussion can continue with accurate information. You on the other hand just wanted to be hostile.
 
Excon said:
Where do you get this information that there was no GSR on the clothing? I ask because Dr.Baden and the Prof. did not examine the clothing.
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I heard it on the news.
 
Your Star said:
I heard it on the news.
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Source?

Forget it.
Things shouldn't be this damn hard.

Dr.Baden and the Prof. did not examine the clothing.
 
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Your Star said:
There was no GSR on Brown's body or clothes so that would be impossible.
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OR CLOTHES?

So the official investigation must have released this then.... the secondary autopsy guy didn't have access to the clothes....

Do you have a link to that information?
 
Your Star said:
I heard it on the news.
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Nothing matters until the evidence is presented in court, subject to cross examination.
I'm always puzzled by how fast people rush to judgment in these cases based on their political viewpoint.
liberal> minority killed> white cop> cop guilty
conservative>mimority killed>white cop>cop justified
 
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