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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    When police departments patrol neighborhoods with military equipment and vehicles, they no longer "protect and serve", but have become an occupying force. And when police departments toast innocent civilians, they are no longer the police, but a group of murderers, who do not belong in any kind of a uniform.
    I can somewhat agree depending on the situation.

    What is your response when someone kills a police officer?
    How about someone killing another person for whatever reason.

    How should the community respond? Interesting we rarely see public protest when a LE is shot. Or when someone in murdered during a crime (robbery).

    The McCaskill is corrent on one thing, the community needs to do more. Protest in peace , yes. Yet what has been happening in the town the first few days were not peacefull.

    If you were a business owner or homeowner, what type of protection would you want?

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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Couldnt agree more! A militarized, aggressive police force has put a giant hold on our first amendment right to freedom of speech. It has lead us to look more and more like a police state, rather than a state that uphold our Constitution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Picketing, carrying signs, talking to the media, insisting on a trial for the officers involved, that is free speech and totally appropriate in this situation.

    Rioting and looting is not free speech. It is violence and theft and is not an appropriate response to anything.
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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Couldnt agree more! A militarized, aggressive police force has put a giant hold on our first amendment right to freedom of speech. It has lead us to look more and more like a police state, rather than a state that uphold our Constitution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    when is looting and trashing private property peaceful?

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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Couldnt agree more! A militarized, aggressive police force has put a giant hold on our first amendment right to freedom of speech. It has lead us to look more and more like a police state, rather than a state that uphold our Constitution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Police militarization was no doubt in response to violent demonstrations and the experiences the police have on a day to day basis.
    If the police didn't have to deal with such violent people all the time, would they would feel the need to militarize?

    Make me think that it's more a 2 sided coin there.

    As always, there are probably only a very few 'bad apples' (on both sides) which are spoiling the barrel for all the good apples. Point being is that it's far from the one sided portrayal presently given. (How many cops have been shot or injured in the line of duty?)
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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The first amendment does not protect looters and violence. When confronted with violence like these police are, show greater capability. If those being violent don't get that message, then waste the ****ers. Rubber bullets should never be used, lead is so much more effective.

    Anyone doing this kind of lawless bull**** over something they don't even know the facts of are people society would be much better without and completely ****ing stupid. Let give Darwin a hand.
    Check out these "violent rioters".. Man they were really violent! Standing with their hands in the air, chanting. Quite "violent" i tell ya.
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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Picketing, carrying signs, talking to the media, insisting on a trial for the officers involved, that is free speech and totally appropriate in this situation.

    Rioting and looting is not free speech. It is violence and theft and is not an appropriate response to anything.
    When people are beaten and arrested during peaceful protests, then rioting and looting frequently becomes the next step.
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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    When people are beaten and arrested during peaceful protests, then rioting and looting frequently becomes the next step.
    It does indeed, but still doesn't make looting and rioting OK. For one thing, the loot is stolen from innocent third parties, not from the cops who did the beating and arresting. For another, the property damage that results from rioting also belongs to innocent third parties.
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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It does indeed, but still doesn't make looting and rioting OK. For one thing, the loot is stolen from innocent third parties, not from the cops who did the beating and arresting. For another, the property damage that results from rioting also belongs to innocent third parties.
    Condemning people after the fact doesn't make the looting not happen. That needs to happen before hand as a preventative measure.

    Personally, I would be ok with checks and balances, perhaps having a judge sign off on using more advanced equipment, but it still being available but only in the cases of an emergency. That would have slowed down and perhaps suspended the escalation process.

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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Condemning people after the fact doesn't make the looting not happen. That needs to happen before hand as a preventative measure.

    Personally, I would be ok with checks and balances, perhaps having a judge sign off on using more advanced equipment, but it still being available but only in the cases of an emergency. That would have slowed down and perhaps suspended the escalation process.
    Condemning criminals after the fact doesn't undo rape, murder, or other forms of theft either.
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    Re: Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Condemning criminals after the fact doesn't undo rape, murder, or other forms of theft either.
    We should seek to minimize those instances before they happen as well.

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