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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    How about realizing that they weren't adequately punished in the first place
    Except that they were.


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    and you are allowing known rapists to come back to a school where they can potentially rape again?
    Irrational nonsense.
    The likelihood of that happening is slim to none.

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    When this entire fiasco was taking place, we not only had people here blaming the victim, but the media as well was more than taking the side of these two rapists.
    Don't care about then, this is the hear and now. They served their time.

    If you don't like the laws, work to change them.

    Did you think I was kidding when I said the following?

    If you are going to treat them this way, why not give them the death penalty huh?
    Or how about being reasonable and realizing that they served their time?

    Obviously you do not want to be reasonable or rational about this.





    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Going to school and playing football aren't related to one another.

    A conviction and school isn't related either, and neither is playing football and a conviction.

    He served his time.

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    He should be banned from the team, that's the bare minimum.
    No he shouldn't. He served his time.


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    He isn't the one who is traumatized, he isn't the one who faced online bullying.
    YEah he is and was traumatized. And yes he has been bullied. People that are saying the same as you are bullying him online with their comments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    A joke anyway. This whole thing is a joke. Except the fact that a girl got raped, that's the only thing that isn't a joke. But from their punishment to the school reaction to this, all a joke. And not a "ha ha" joke, a ****ty one.
    Yeah. You are speaking irrational and emotional nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You think 9 months is enough for that poor girl to get over what happened to her?
    Society through the courts have decided what their punishment was.
    If she doesn't like that, she has to deal with it. I suggest you do so as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    There are minimal sentences for marijuana for 5 years for selling or 1 year for possesion, but rapists can get out quicker than that apparently. In fact, the US justice department found that sex offenders only serve half their time in prison, an average of 5.4 years. So rapists just get to spend a wee bit more time in jail than marijuana sellers. And apparently, 9 months in juvi and then he can play ball.
    Yep. Irrational and emotional nonsense. This is not about anything other than these juveniles. Do try to focus.
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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The average sentence for rapists in america is 5.4 years. It should be over 10 years but most serve just half their sentence.

    Meanwhile, non-violent drug offenders (doesn't matter on which side of the argument you fall on, this just to point out the absurdity of it all) serve minimal sentences that for selling are 5 years, and there is no way to get out early. Just like you said, I was just bringing up the numbers.

    Somehow, for murder you can get the chair but for just traumatizing someone for the rest of their lives and have them live with it... yeah, that's just 5 years and a bit on average.
    That is if they don't suicide. Which is the situation as I will point below with a case in Montana.

    Why aren't you mad? Why aren't you going on the streets and protesting? Get angry. Get mad. The politicians don't give a damn. Their fat asses are safeguarded by capital police and those special bodyguards that all congressmen get. Grab a plank and start hitting them over the head with it.

    And then you get assholes like these peope:
    Montana judge defends one-month rape sentence - CNN.com

    Morales, the 14 years old, killed herself.

    Demand that what Florida did go for all the US.
    Criminal Penalties for a Rape Conviction | sexoffenderattorney.com
    I have been mad, dude. I was mad when the case happened, and prepared myself for this inevitable result. And I have done some rather outrageous stuff about it. Been doing stuff since I was 15. This general ballpark is my thing, remember?

    Here's the problem.

    Every time I go out there, the crowd is smaller than it was the last time. Seems more and more people pity the poor rapist, or whatever other bull**** that Americans are swallowing in increasing numbers. The weird monster of a political machine that pedals this has been very effective, for reasons I still don't understand.

    And at a certain point, as a human being who is already more sensitive than most, I have to stop reacted to every instance like this I see. Because I see it constantly. Every day. And if I got equally upset each and every time it happened, there's no way I could remain functional enough to even exist, let alone rally for the next time I go out there, and inevitably find myself in a smaller crowd than last time.

    I'm a human being and there's fewer and fewer of us who give a ****, and collectively, we're exhausted.

    It's as simple as this: the American public is voting against things like bringing justice to rape survivors.

    And I have been writing and protesting and getting in behind the scenes for damn near as long as I've been sentient, but somehow, we are just raising people with a lack of humanity, and I can't make up for the vital lesson in empathy that they missed in their childhood. That window is gone.

    So what I and everyone else who cares are left doing is just picking up the pieces. Just trying to stop girls like Morales from killing themselves.

    Because I can't go stand out there by myself, or with a few hundred other people. Hell, I've done that. I've done it literally alone, on whatever kind of a megaphone I had at the time, because for whatever reason, I wind up with one often. I use the hell out of it.

    But there needs to be a critical mass for anything to happen. And we just don't have it. We don't have enough people who care.

    If you want to find more people, bottle that rightfully placed rage, and take it to someone who's not convinced. Because I've been over here doing this with whatever other exhausted people I can find for a decade.

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    It's nice in today's day and age that two teammates of difference races can work together. I just wish the work wasn't on a 16 year old girl.

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    The guy that was appointed by the people of Steubenville to sentence criminals found guilty of their crimes in Steubenville courts did his job and assigned the legal punishments that he thought fit the crime, the circumstances, and the law. People who don't like the decision can try to get either the law changed and stiffened - or get the judge removed and replaced. But we by rule of law and have to accept the outcomes the system we have established give us. It's either that or this....

    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    Richmond, one of the two teens convicted in the explosive rape case in city along the Ohio River, practiced with the team on Monday as a wide receiver.
    Wide receiver? Damn! Now I'm kinda jealous. I wish I would have got to play against a rapist wide reciever when I was in high school.

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The guy that was appointed by the people of Steubenville to sentence criminals found guilty of their crimes in Steubenville courts did his job and assigned the legal punishments that he thought fit the crime, the circumstances, and the law. People who don't like the decision can try to get either the law changed and stiffened - or get the judge removed and replaced. But we by rule of law and have to accept the outcomes the system we have established give us. It's either that or this....
    It's really not a binary choice. Agree that a 9 month sentence is enough, or resort to lynchings.

    The part that is most offensive is the guy is back on the football team. I can see being readmitted to public school - if he's eligible under the law to attend school, the school has to admit him (AFAIK). But he surely has no right or even expectation to participate in football, and the school system, school and the coach are making a clear statement that they care little to nothing about rape.

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's really not a binary choice. Agree that a 9 month sentence is enough, or resort to lynchings.

    The part that is most offensive is the guy is back on the football team. I can see being readmitted to public school - if he's eligible under the law to attend school, the school has to admit him (AFAIK). But he surely has no right or even expectation to participate in football, and the school system, school and the coach are making a clear statement that they care little to nothing about rape.
    The choice is to either live by rule of law or not to live by rule of law. It really is that binary because if it's only living by rule of law when you agree with it, it's not living by rule of law. If you think rape is unforgivable and that anyone committing it needs punished for life, then pass the law to make that the punishment. I wouldn't be inclined to disagree that 9 months of probation isn't adequate punishment for rape, but then again, I don't know what the Judge based his decision on. Unless there's some school rule against convicted felons participating in their sports program, demanding that the school ban this young man would be arbitary.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The choice is to either live by rule of law or not to live by rule of law. It really is that binary because if it's only living by rule of law when you agree with it, it's not living by rule of law. If you think rape is unforgivable and that anyone committing it needs punished for life, then pass the law to make that the punishment. I wouldn't be inclined to disagree that 9 months of probation isn't adequate punishment for rape, but then again, I don't know what the Judge based his decision on. Unless there's some school rule against convicted felons participating in their sports program, demanding that the school ban this young man would be arbitary.
    Well, no one is proposing extrajudicial punishment, like a lynching. But because that's the sentence he got doesn't mean we must agree with it, and certainly there are a helluva lot of outcomes post conviction for rape between 1) nine months in jail then getting immediately reinstated on the football team and 2) getting executed by a mob or 'punished for life.'

    And it's clearly not 'arbitrary' to deny a convicted RAPIST a spot on the football team. Give me a break. That's the silliest thing I'll read all day.

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    : not planned or chosen for a particular reason : not based on reason or evidence

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    BTW, good to know the coach poses the same false choice as Papa Bull:

    Coach Reno Saccoccia says Richmond has done everything the school system has asked him to do, both academically and socially, upon his release. He says some people may think he is giving Richmond a second chance. Coach Saccoccia says “We don’t deal in death sentences for juvenile activity and I just feel that he’s earned a second chance.”
    Yeah, it's either 1) execute the young man, or 2) allow him back on the team where he can help you win another state championship. Got it!

    Of course, Mays (the one still in detention) said this at the time in a text: "I got Reno (footbal coach Reno Saccoccia). He took care of it and sh-- ain't gonna happen, even if they did take it to court." So at least the coach kept his word, so there's that!

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    Re: Ma’lik Richmond, convicted in Steubenville rape case, returns to football team

    It would be the very definition of "arbitrary" to make up a special rule just for this young man, but I digress. I've made my points and whether you accept them or reject them is up to you and it really doesn't matter since it's neither your decision or mine to make.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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