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20 U.S. companies that paid 0% in taxes

I disagree with you. Taxes are a huge factor. Our marginal rate is 35% for US corporations, and that doesn't include their taxes to the states they operate in.

Wrong. 35% is the top statutory rate. Marginal is what is paid on every additional dollar and dramatically changes based on a taxpayer's situation. Effective, as what corporations actually pay is about 12.5%. You, like Born don't know the difference.

Labor costs are generally under 20% of an items cost. Not always, it depends on the item.

I contend that for many or most items, shipping costs outweigh the difference in labor costs when only shipping state to state, vs shipping to a US port and then state to state as well.

That does absolutely nothing to deal with my argument about why Vietnam is taking China's manufacturing jobs when the cost to relocate is massive and the tax difference is pathetic 3%. You are not dealing with this argument at all. You aren't even trying. Which suggests you do not understand the topic at hand.

Furthermore, you are ignoring how other developed states with much lower taxes than the US have comparable labor costs. You flat out ignored this.

The article mentions both.

Your example of a few cents probably applies to small toys, where you have hundreds in a cubic foot. Overseas shipping in large volume is primary paid for by volume. As the size of the items increase, so does the cost.

But those associated items generally sell for significantly more. Alternative, the cost to ship an iPhone to America is very cheap per phone.

I don't believe you simply cannot acknowledge that the differing tax structures are a factor in the cost analysis.

I do, but I think they are largely overblown to suit political agendas. You are ignoring both of my examples because you know they prove you wrong.
 
That does absolutely nothing to deal with my argument about why Vietnam is taking China's manufacturing jobs when the cost to relocate is massive and the tax difference is pathetic 3%. You are not dealing with this argument at all. You aren't even trying. Which suggests you do not understand the topic at hand.

Right.

It has nothing to do with it.

I don't care of it is China, Vietnam, etc. You are trying to change the argument we started with because you cannot win it, so you deflecting to an argument you think you can win.

I acknowledges that small changes like the 3% is meaningful when all else is equal. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the other factors that matter.
 
No it doesn't. An LLC or S-corp come with various limitations as how they can raise money compared to a C-Corp not to mention how certain asset classes are treated and how certain items are taxed. They are not "on the same level as a corporation." Furthermore, neither of them offer the identical level of limited liability a C-Corp has. It is FAR easier to pierce the veil of a S/LLC than it is a C-Corp. Furthermore, you utterly failed to address my point. Why should a sole proprietor have the same level of taxation as a C-Corp but the C-Corp gets limited liability? I suspect you won't answer this. You've already run away from it.

Why should a sole proprietor have the same level of taxation as a C-Cop, are you serious, I thought you are an accountant. For an account you have no clue, a sole proprietor is only taxed once and a C corp is taxed twice, once at the corporate level and then again when it gives dividends to it's shareholders that own the company. So the question you asked is false, I should not even be wasting my time with someone that has no clue what your talking about.

Second you say a C-corp has only limited liability, of course where as a sole proprietor has no shield against liability. But I'm sure you as a so called accountent would advise a person that a sole proprietor is just fine compared to filling as an LLC where there is limited liability.


Please refrain from talking about topics you do not understand.

Your just full of yourself.
Tell me, have you passed the 4 part CPA test and done the necessary hours to get certified by your state board? I suspect not.

They call that Bloating or is it bloviating, in any event you are just full of yourself. Let me ask you how many corporations have you owned were you were the majority shareholder and the CEO, we're talking C corps, and then tell me how many LLC have you owned and S corps that you were the majority partner. I mean these are the guys that make the money, not one that is hired to count it.

S-Corps and LLCs are not "double taxed' as C-Corps, but they do not share the same level of capital raising benefits as well as the C-Corp's level of limited liability.

Once again you have no clue, an LLC can raise millions to start a business, even billions. S corps the same way.

Why are you so afraid to answer my question?

I have answered all your questions but it is you that have not answered mine. I understand you have no real business experience as a majority shareholder of any corporation or any business experience other than being a bean counter, so you say, but you could never convince me of that.

You claim the be the bean counter of this board. If true you have no clue and would suggest you resign.
 
For an account you have no clue, a sole proprietor is only taxed once and a C corp is taxed twice, once at the corporate level and then again when it gives dividends to it's shareholders that own the company.

Corps are not taxed twice. They aren't taxed on dividends; the shareholders that receive the dividends are taxed

Corps are taxed once.
 
I understand the difference between effective and statutory rates. You have DEMONSTRATED you do not.

Maybe this will help you understand. You have shown no knowledge owning a corporation, LLC, or a S corp. Your a bean counter so you say, but you could never prove that by me.

What are statutory and effective corporate tax rates?

Now tell me how many C-corps you have owned and were the CEO, same for LLC, and S-corps. Never mind, I already know the answer, NONE.
 
Corps are not taxed twice. They aren't taxed on dividends; the shareholders that receive the dividends are taxed

Corps are taxed once.

:doh

Give it up, you show no knowledge of what you are talking about. Period, I know you understand "Period."

Let me ask you a simple question. Do shareholders own the corporation that has to pay taxes on it's profits.
 
Right.

It has nothing to do with it.

I don't care of it is China, Vietnam, etc. You are trying to change the argument we started with because you cannot win it, so you deflecting to an argument you think you can win.

Come again? I provided an example that completely destroys you. Actually I provided two. You are cowardly running away from them because you know you do not have a reply.

I acknowledges that small changes like the 3% is meaningful when all else is equal. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the other factors that matter.

Your argument is that tax rates deeply impact labor. So where is your argument how Vietnam's measly 3% differential to China accounts for its labor costs being 25% of China's?
 
Why should a sole proprietor have the same level of taxation as a C-Cop, are you serious, I thought you are an accountant.

I'm seriously starting to question if you have the capacity to understand the English Language.

Notice my question to you was for you to defend your reasoning why a C-Corp should have the same level of treatment as a sole proprietorship. I did not say that current law has them tax the same way.

Before you go throwing out insults at people vastly more intelligent and educated than you, read what they wrote rather than making up in your head what you wanted them to say.

For an account you have no clue, a sole proprietor is only taxed once and a C corp is taxed twice, once at the corporate level and then again when it gives dividends to it's shareholders that own the company. So the question you asked is false, I should not even be wasting my time with someone that has no clue what your talking about.

Again, you argued that C-corps shouldn't be double taxed. I pointed out they have benefits that other forms of organization do not. I then ask you why C-corps should get single level taxation and and benefits not available to other forms of organization. Because you are partisan (and can't read well) you took that as me saying that they ARE treated like that DESPITE my explicitly asking YOU to give a reason why they SHOULD be treated that way. I did not say that they are. I asked you to explain why your system should be adopted. This is why you don't make up what you think people said. You reply to what they actually did. Makes you look far less stupid.

Second you say a C-corp has only limited liability, of course where as a sole proprietor has no shield against liability. But I'm sure you as a so called accountent would advise a person that a sole proprietor is just fine compared to filling as an LLC where there is limited liability.

Which is completely irrelevant to my question to which you are either illiterate to understand or want to cowardly avoid answering.

Your just full of yourself.

Said the guy who mistook a direct and explicit question to him to explain why his system should be enacted to mean that the person obviously asking the question really thought that was the existing system.

Perhaps you should curtail your use of insults until you have proper English comprehension?

They call that Bloating or is it bloviating, in any event you are just full of yourself. Let me ask you how many corporations have you owned were you were the majority shareholder and the CEO, we're talking C corps, and then tell me how many LLC have you owned and S corps that you were the majority partner. I mean these are the guys that make the money, not one that is hired to count it.

Perhaps when you learn to read properly, you can start studying for it?

Once again you have no clue, an LLC can raise millions to start a business, even billions. S corps the same way.

Wrong. LLCs and S-corps are often limited in what types of shares they can offer, how many partners they can bring in, the timing and horizontal/vertical equity relationships and so on and so forth. To claim they have the "same way" is to be completely ignorant as to the exist IRC code regarding LLCs, S-Corps and C-Corps.

Tell me, how many partners can a S-Corp have in equity? As many as a C-corp?
Tell me, can an S-corp issue the same varying types of shares a C-Corp can?
Tell me, can an LLC and S-corp sell equity shares the same way a C-Corp can?

You know nothing and it shows.

I have answered all your questions but it is you that have not answered mine. I understand you have no real business experience as a majority shareholder of any corporation or any business experience other than being a bean counter, so you say, but you could never convince me of that.

You claim the be the bean counter of this board. If true you have no clue and would suggest you resign.

What questions of yours have I not answered that are relevant to the discussion?

You still don't even know the difference between statutory and effective tax rates!

So again, why (notice it's a question word! Not a statement!) should a C-Corp have sole proprietorship tax treatment when it has benefits that are not available to other forms of organization?
 
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Maybe this will help you understand. You have shown no knowledge owning a corporation, LLC, or a S corp. Your a bean counter so you say, but you could never prove that by me.

What are statutory and effective corporate tax rates?

Now tell me how many C-corps you have owned and were the CEO, same for LLC, and S-corps. Never mind, I already know the answer, NONE.

Same for you. You think they all raise capital the same. Wrong.

And you still haven't demonstrated you know the difference between the two.

Furthermore, you cannot even figure out the difference between a question about your own argument and one someone is making for their own
 
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Come again? I provided an example that completely destroys you. Actually I provided two. You are cowardly running away from them because you know you do not have a reply.
Your argument only works leaving out or considering other important variables static. Variables are dynamic!
 
I'm seriously starting to question if you have the capacity to understand the English Language.

Notice my question to you was for you to defend your reasoning why a C-Corp should have the same level of treatment as a sole proprietorship. I did not say that current law has them tax the same way.

Before you go throwing out insults at people vastly more intelligent and educated than you, read what they wrote rather than making up in your head what you wanted them to say.



Again, you argued that C-corps shouldn't be double taxed. I pointed out they have benefits that other forms of organization do not. I then ask you why C-corps should get single level taxation and and benefits not available to other forms of organization. Because you are partisan (and can't read well) you took that as me saying that they ARE treated like that DESPITE my explicitly asking YOU to give a reason why they SHOULD be treated that way. I did not say that they are. I asked you to explain why your system should be adopted. This is why you don't make up what you think people said. You reply to what they actually did. Makes you look far less stupid.



Which is completely irrelevant to my question to which you are either illiterate to understand or want to cowardly avoid answering.



Said the guy who mistook a direct and explicit question to him to explain why his system should be enacted to mean that the person obviously asking the question really thought that was the existing system.

Perhaps you should curtail your use of insults until you have proper English comprehension?



Perhaps when you learn to read properly, you can start studying for it?



Wrong. LLCs and S-corps are often limited in what types of shares they can offer, how many partners they can bring in, the timing and horizontal/vertical equity relationships and so on and so forth. To claim they have the "same way" is to be completely ignorant as to the exist IRC code regarding LLCs, S-Corps and C-Corps.

Tell me, how many partners can a S-Corp have in equity? As many as a C-corp?
Tell me, can an S-corp issue the same varying types of shares a C-Corp can?
Tell me, can an LLC and S-corp sell equity shares the same way a C-Corp can?

You know nothing and it shows.



What questions of yours have I not answered that are relevant to the discussion?

You still don't even know the difference between statutory and effective tax rates!

So again, why (notice it's a question word! Not a statement!) should a C-Corp have sole proprietorship tax treatment when it has benefits that are not available to other forms of organization?

You can yell all you want but your a bean counter, that's it
 
Same for you. You think they all raise capital the same. Wrong.

And you still haven't demonstrated you know the difference between the two.

Furthermore, you cannot even figure out the difference between a question about your own argument and one someone is making for their own

Again your a bean counter, that's it and never owned a business. And you jump around and try and talk like you know something. :doh
 
You can yell all you want but your a bean counter, that's it

You can totally fail to answer any of my questions and then totally fail to own up to the fact you attacked me for asking a clarifying question on your position as if I claimed it was the current law.

Again your a bean counter, that's it and never owned a business. And you jump around and try and talk like you know something.

For someone who claims to have such experience, you sure have a hard time answering really basic questions about capital fund raising.
 
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