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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right, you have a lot of respect for the guy, who you called a "thug" in post one of this thread. And you said this on page one, "He sounds couched by the best, is Sharpton there yet?" Gosh, I can't imagine why I assumed you were engaged in character assassination....
    Respect? No, not for many reasons. First of which is leaving his buddy and not trying to defuse the situation. Do I also think he's a thug, yes, yes I do. And, I could be wrong here, but I doubt highly his language sounds every day like he does in front of the cameras today. His story has been smoothed over for the cameras.

    Do I think any of that justifies his friend's murder by the officer in any way, no I do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But that's not what you said - you said Johnson 'admitted' to accidentally kicking the door closed. He didn't admit to anything like that. He said the officer bounced the door off Brown.
    Semantics and avoidance of responsibility. This is precisely why I don't believe that part of the story.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Just to put a fine point on it, can't really shoot a guy in the chest when their back is to you running away. Unless you're using those fancy new guided rounds.
    Those acts were separated by a comma.... "in chest during a struggle, in the the back as he was running away, then again...."

    Again, to be clear, and really I think once you disregard your assumptions, we mostly agree, here is what I think from what we know so far. The officer overreacted to two young kneepants wearers who were failing to comply with a simple order to leave the middle of the street. When he pulled over to give them a talking to his door was kicked or bumped shut on him. He overreacted and grabbed one of the kids to keep him from running off. The guy fought with the officer. The struggle made it into the police vehicle where the guy was shot the first time. The guy extricated himself and began running from the scene where the officer after verbally warning shot the guy again in the back. The guy stopped at that point and surrendered. The cop came forward and shot the guy several more time after he had surrendered.
    You just can't leave it alone, can you. Got to get a dig in on the black guys. Kneepants wearing thugs, one of them 'couched' by Al Sharpton......

    But yes, we mostly agree on the timeline and sequence of events, based on what we know so far. And, yes, the gratuitous insults of the character of the black guys involved sort of obscure the rest of your points, especially as they've evolved in this discussion.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Well, cops have been killing blacks for as long as I can remember.

    I call it the "pit bull" syndrome. Not all pit bulls are dangerous but there are enough of them mauling small children that most anyone knows to be on guard around them.

    Cops are forever dealing with black thugs that are disproportionate, in number, compared to thugs of other races. I understand their reasoning and distrust when dealing with blacks but it still don't make it right.

    Add to the fire the all too common police psyche, that is common among the alpha male. "King of the Hill/Say Uncle," mentality types and now we have added nitro to the glycerin.

    I would hate to live in a society without law enforcement. But this jackboot mentality prevalent in modern policing will surely only lead to rebellion. Eventually, the police need to understand that they may be the meanest, baddest, strongest person on the street with the biggest gun and badge but they are by far outnumbered by the citizenry and that citizenry is also well armed. It would not surprise me to read more and more about law enforcement being "bushwhacked," as time goes on, if the police of our nation don't cool their jets and get some logical counseling about their defective personality traits that drives them to always be the "alpha dog." People hate bullies. Eventually, the badge won't stop the people from taking action of their own against these jackboots.

    All that being said, for every asshole cop there is, there are a dozen good ones. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. But it does need to get fixed. Sooner than later. I'm starting to get a bit PO'd at them myself and I am traditionally a supporter of our law enforcement officers. They really need to get their ego in check.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    The police havent even interviewed one of the key witnesses. Many witnesses back up Johnson's claims as well. I think its pretty that the police know they did something incredibly wrong and are trying their best to disclose as least amount of information possible. [/FONT][/COLOR]

    It doesn't matter. The Feds are going to send this dude to jail one way, or another.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Those acts were separated by a comma.... "in chest during a struggle, in the the back as he was running away, then again...."
    Nice try, forgotten what you posted and I quoted?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL
    And I know you blame the guy who'd just been shot in the chest for running, but it makes no sense to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You just can't leave it alone, can you. Got to get a dig in on the black guys. Kneepants wearing thugs, one of them 'couched' by Al Sharpton......

    But yes, we mostly agree on the timeline and sequence of events, based on what we know so far. And, yes, the gratuitous insults of the character of the black guys involved sort of obscure the rest of your points, especially as they've evolved in this discussion.
    You just can't stop assuming and getting it wrong can you? You're so guilty about race (see, that's how that assuming thing works) you think that's why I believe he's a thug or why he's been coached. I invoked Sharpton because he's a clear example of the coaching that happens in these situations.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, cops have been killing blacks for as long as I can remember.

    I call it the "pit bull" syndrome. Not all pit bulls are dangerous but there are enough of them mauling small children that most anyone knows to be on guard around them.

    Cops are forever dealing with black thugs that are disproportionate, in number, compared to thugs of other races. I understand their reasoning and distrust when dealing with blacks but it still don't make it right.

    Add to the fire the all too common police psyche, that is common among the alpha male. "King of the Hill/Say Uncle," mentality types and now we have added nitro to the glycerin.

    I would hate to live in a society without law enforcement. But this jackboot mentality prevalent in modern policing will surely only lead to rebellion. Eventually, the police need to understand that they may be the meanest, baddest, strongest person on the street with the biggest gun and badge but they are by far outnumbered by the citizenry and that citizenry is also well armed. It would not surprise me to read more and more about law enforcement being "bushwhacked," as time goes on, if the police of our nation don't cool their jets and get some logical counseling about their defective personality traits that drives them to always be the "alpha dog." People hate bullies. Eventually, the badge won't stop the people from taking action of their own against these jackboots.

    All that being said, for every asshole cop there is, there are a dozen good ones. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. But it does need to get fixed. Sooner than later. I'm starting to get a bit PO'd at them myself and I am traditionally a supporter of our law enforcement officers. They really need to get their ego in check.
    Don't be a thug...problem solved.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Respect? No, not for many reasons. First of which is leaving his buddy and not trying to defuse the situation. Do I also think he's a thug, yes, yes I do. And, I could be wrong here, but I doubt highly his language sounds every day like he does in front of the cameras today. His story has been smoothed over for the cameras.
    I'm going to quit discussing the whole "thug" thing - you've made your point. Young black guys who don't talk correctly = thugs. Got it.

    But do you really expect a person to stay around and try to 'defuse the situation' after a cop has shot your friend in the chest? How does that work? "Excuse me Mr. Policeman, but I would sure rather you quit shooting my friend in the chest. We wish you no harm, sir, and my friend might expire should you persist in your shooting of him.

    Please note my raised arms, and if you would kindly stop shooting, we will be on our way to the Emergency Room. We would be ever so grateful if you would ring 911 and request the good folks there to dispatch an ambulance to this scene, post haste! Have a good day, old chap!"

    Semantics and avoidance of responsibility. This is precisely why I don't believe that part of the story.
    Or it could be the truth.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Don't be a thug...problem solved.
    Don't be a black kid walking down the street when a cop is driving by looking for trouble.
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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Don't be a thug...problem solved.
    Well, the guy shot graduated from HS, was on his way to college, and by all accounts (so far) was a good kid, who had no criminal record. So he wasn't a thug, and got killed. That's the reason for the protests.

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    Re: Lawyer: Police Haven't Talked To Michael Brown Shooting Witness

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, cops have been killing blacks for as long as I can remember.

    I call it the "pit bull" syndrome. Not all pit bulls are dangerous but there are enough of them mauling small children that most anyone knows to be on guard around them.

    Cops are forever dealing with black thugs that are disproportionate, in number, compared to thugs of other races. I understand their reasoning and distrust when dealing with blacks but it still don't make it right.

    Add to the fire the all too common police psyche, that is common among the alpha male. "King of the Hill/Say Uncle," mentality types and now we have added nitro to the glycerin.

    I would hate to live in a society without law enforcement. But this jackboot mentality prevalent in modern policing will surely only lead to rebellion. Eventually, the police need to understand that they may be the meanest, baddest, strongest person on the street with the biggest gun and badge but they are by far outnumbered by the citizenry and that citizenry is also well armed. It would not surprise me to read more and more about law enforcement being "bushwhacked," as time goes on, if the police of our nation don't cool their jets and get some logical counseling about their defective personality traits that drives them to always be the "alpha dog." People hate bullies. Eventually, the badge won't stop the people from taking action of their own against these jackboots.

    All that being said, for every asshole cop there is, there are a dozen good ones. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. But it does need to get fixed. Sooner than later. I'm starting to get a bit PO'd at them myself and I am traditionally a supporter of our law enforcement officers. They really need to get their ego in check.
    I'd agree with you but for the fact that they generally keep this sort of behavior to areas that are in less than stellar conditions. Some of that is because they are used to confronting gangs in those neighborhoods and get nowhere with subdued egos. Some just a human reaction to the environment .

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