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    Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In The

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    "On Wednesday, 22-year-old John Crawford was shot dead inside a Wal-Mart by police in Beavercreek, Ohio, after a shopper called 911 to report someone inside with a gun. Now, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine says the gun Crawford was carrying was a BB gun known as a variable pump air rifle — a target-shooting and small game-hunting gun made to look like a real, more deadly weapon.

    The MK-177 Crosman BB/Pellet Rifle gun is stocked in the shelves at Wal-Mart, and relatives of Crawford’s say he wasn’t carrying any gun when he entered Wal-Mart. He reportedly picked up the gun in the toy section of the store. The store says it has since been told to remove the gun from its shelves.

    Some witnesses say Crawford was pointing the gun at customers and children, and did not comply with police commands. But Crawford’s family has asked state civil rights groups including the NAACP to look into the shooting. Crawford was black." - Source - Screen shot
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    This is a tragic event but I do not blame the police in this.

    First off, the race of the suspect is completely irrelevant. If the news story is correct, he was pointing a toy gun, made to look realistic, at people in the store. The police acted prudently.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    I'd agree. Picking up a fake gun is one thing, but not making it known that it's a fake gun when confronted by authorities and pointing it at fellow customers is another altogether. It's easy to judge the officers actions in hindsight, but it appears he made the right choice based on what he thought were the facts of the matter at the time.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Some witnesses say Crawford was pointing the gun at customers and children, and did not comply with police commands.
    If that quote is true, then the police are not at fault.

    That's a big "if"...but highly significant no matter how you slice it.



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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    I'd agree. Picking up a fake gun is one thing, but not making it known that it's a fake gun when confronted by authorities and pointing it at fellow customers is another altogether. It's easy to judge the officers actions in hindsight, but it appears he made the right choice based on what he thought were the facts of the matter at the time.
    I agree. I just wish cops would learn to shoot to stop, not to kill, by whatever means possible. Train to shoot at the arm, minimizing the threat while avoiding any loss of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I agree. I just wish cops would learn to shoot to stop, not to kill, by whatever means possible. Train to shoot at the arm, minimizing the threat while avoiding any loss of life.
    Only qualm I have with that is that the arm is a far narrower target and in a situation where danger is presumed to to be imminent or the suspect is waiving his arm about in a threatening manner, the margin for error is far greater than when shooting at center mass.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I agree. I just wish cops would learn to shoot to stop, not to kill, by whatever means possible. Train to shoot at the arm, minimizing the threat while avoiding any loss of life.
    Sorry, under stressful situations, it is impossible to do that. That's what tasers are for but, when they are confronted with a gun, they use a gun.
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    Recently a woman was awarded 23.6 Billion dollars because her stupid husband smoked himself to death at 36 years of age. Why can't we sue the manufacturers of toys that look exactly like real guns from up close to far away. Why is it critical to a 6 year old the toy has to look like the real deal and people get killed flashing them to police?

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Only qualm I have with that is that the arm is a far narrower target and in a situation where danger is presumed to to be imminent or the suspect is waiving his arm about in a threatening manner, the margin for error is far greater than when shooting at center mass.
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    Sorry, under stressful situations, it is impossible to do that. That's what tasers are for but, when they are confronted with a gun, they use a gun.
    Trained professionals should be capable of taking out a suspect without killing him/her. We are not talking about the average trigger happy Joe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Trained professionals should be capable of taking out a suspect without killing him/her. We are not talking about the average trigger happy Joe.
    Ideally, yes. But as I said before, nullifying the immediate threat to the surrounding persons as quickly as possible should take precedence over preserving the life of the gunman in those situations. You don't shoot with the presumption of innocence.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    I do have an issue with the authentic look of these guns, [including the air-soft ones] They should all have the orange indicator tip. Looking down the barrel of a .22 caliber pellet rifle is not any different than doing the same with an AR-15 .223.

    FWIW, it is possible to kill or severely maim someone with a lead pellet depending on the spot of impact and power for the weapon.

    If this guy was pointing it at customers, he was looking for suicide by cop.
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