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Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In The

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SMTA said:
How do you know about the realistic look of this BB gun?
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I for one went to walmart and looked at it.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
It may have already been mentioned, but why was this gun not contained in some form of packaging while on display and for sale in the store?
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It is. It's in a box. All of walmarts bb rifles are in boxes. This guy had to remove the gun from the box in order to start pointing it around.
 
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Jerry said:
It is. It's in a box. All of walmarts bb rifles are in boxes. This guy had to remove the gun from the box in order to start pointing it around.
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Thanks - another poster provided more detail which seems to indicate he did just as you suggest and that means he basically got what he deserved for being an idiot. It's harsh, but chances are nobody else is going to think that's a fun thing to do anytime soon.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I believe there is potential, particularly in America, for a lawsuit against both the manufacturer of the toy and Wal-Mart. It is irresponsible, in my view, to have a replica gun for sale in such a form that it can be paraded around a large store as if it's real. Especially, considering the number of crazed idiots who are actually doing such things with the real deal.
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It's not a replica or a toy, it's a real working bb gun.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain that I've read in the news that many Wal-Mart stores are gun shops. If I'm not mistaken, there have been protests/petitions to have Wal-Mart not sell guns in stores that are frequented by kids and families.

Edit: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/15/newtown-school-shooting-walmart/1836261/
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Wallmart sells liquor and walmart is not a liquor store. Wallmart sells groceries and wallmart is not a grocery store. Wallmart sells tires and does oil changes and wallmart is not an auto store. Walmart sells outdoor camping & sporting equipment and walmart is not a sporting-goods store.

Walmart is a general store, not a specialty store.
 
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Jerry said:
Wallmart sells liquor and walmart is not a liquor store. Wallmart sells groceries and wallmart is not a grocery store. Wallmart sells tires and does oil changes and wallmart is not an auto store. Walmart sells outdoor camping & sporting equipment and walmart is not a sporting-goods store.

Walmart is a general store, not a specialty store.
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The original implication of the comment was that guns aren't sold at Wal-Mart so the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was. I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart is, indeed, a store that sells guns making it a gun store by any reasonable, rational view of the situation at issue.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
The original implication of the comment was that guns aren't sold at Wal-Mart so the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was. I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart is, indeed, a store that sells guns making it a gun store by any reasonable, rational view of the situation at issue.
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Nobody implied any such thing.

Walmart sells toys. Is Walmart a toy store?
Walmart sells lingerie, is Walmart a lingerie store?

The idiotic comment made by Muhammed was quoted and responded to.

You took that response and twisted it into something never said.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
The original implication of the comment was that guns aren't sold at Wal-Mart so the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was. I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart is, indeed, a store that sells guns making it a gun store by any reasonable, rational view of the situation at issue.
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When you look at a firearm in wallmart its with a special authorized employee standing right there. When you buy a firearm at walmart a manager carries the gun, in it's box, to the front of the store, and you pick it up as you leave. So yes the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was.
 
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Jerry said:
When you look at a firearm in wallmart its with a special authorized employee standing right there. When you buy a firearm at walmart a manager carries the gun, in it's box, to the front of the store, and you pick it up as you leave. So yes the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was.
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I'm not questioning that - I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart sells guns.

As for your comment, that leaves me with concerns that a bb gun - not a toy, as you stated earlier - is not better protected from being unpackaged prior to leaving the store, particularly if it can harm someone and if it looks like a more serious weapon.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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Lucky kid
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm not questioning that - I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart sells guns.
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Yes wallmart sells guns but wallmart is not a gun store.

CanadaJohn said:
As for your comment, that leaves me with concerns that a bb gun - not a toy, as you stated earlier - is not better protected from being unpackaged prior to leaving the store, particularly if it can harm someone and if it looks like a more serious weapon.
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This sort of thing is very rare. If it happened every day like murder in Chicago then we'de never hear about it. Normaly when someone wants to see a bb rifle, or any product for that matter, out of the package, they ask a store employee. At least then if someone sees a random person handling the gun they also see an employee standing right there. If there's still cause for alarm the employee takes the item back and if police are called they come upon an annoyed costomer watching an employee close the box back up.
 
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The lever action rifle from that movie was the assault rifle of its day. Also, Im a paramedic would you like to hear some of my BB/Pellet gun stories?

Another point-your silly pic betrays your ignorance-a pellet gun is a pellet gun even if you think a scope and pistol grip make it into a scary death machine. Liberals have an almost superstitious fear and misunderstanding of guns.
 
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Lovebug said:
I realize all that. Perhaps my wishing it were different is being misunderstood, various of my comments indicate respect for law enforcement.
I am contemplating possible alternatives . In cases like this, it would be great if cops had training other than shoot to kill. Loss of life is permanent, people.
Not having been in the situation ourselves, not knowing all the facts, I don't understand how we can render judgment either way. I would like to see some footage. How close was the cop to that man? How erratic did he behave? According to his girlfriend, BB man had received a phone call prior to the incident and was just wandering around the toy section. Again, how often did the cop ask him to put down the gun? How threatening did he appear? How close was the cop to the gunman? Do we have any actual footage or are a few sentences in an article all we need to condemn the BB man?
When I target practice, I sometimes miss targets that are far, but never when they are right in front of me. Trying to picture WalMart aisles, the possibilities aren't that endless.
What about the other woman who got shot as she was trying to take her kids out of harm's way ( if I understood correctly)? Could that have been avoided if the cop had aimed lower?
How can we side one way or the other without having all the facts?
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When we target practice, it's just that ...a stationary target and practice.

Under real world, stressful situation where someone is pointing a gun at you, accuracy is out the window for the most part.

Look at those cops who sprayed that crowd of people in NYC shooting at one target.
 
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The guy could have taken a knife out of the packaging, ran around like has was gona stab people, and this result could be the same.

Act like a jackass and you deserve what you get.
 
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a351 said:
I'd agree. Picking up a fake gun is one thing, but not making it known that it's a fake gun when confronted by authorities and pointing it at fellow customers is another altogether. It's easy to judge the officers actions in hindsight, but it appears he made the right choice based on what he thought were the facts of the matter at the time.
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His partner on the phone said she heard him say that it wasn't real. How clear do you want it?
 
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Lovebug said:
Trained professionals should be capable of taking out a suspect without killing him/her. We are not talking about the average trigger happy Joe.
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Im sorry but the only reason you should ever get the the point where you are firing a gun at someone is when the situation is bad enough to warrant killing the suspect.
 
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Jerry said:
The guy could have taken a knife out of the packaging, ran around like has was gona stab people, and this result could be the same.

Act like a jackass and you deserve what you get.
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I don't think all the facts are out. His gf made it sound like he got shot before he had a chance to comply, so more info is needed.
 
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American said:
I don't think all the facts are out. His gf made it sound like he got shot before he had a chance to comply, so more info is needed.
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If he ended up pointing that gun at cops before they had to get a word out then yeah.

If you put a cop in a position where they have to roll the dice on rather this is a real mass-shooting or just some jerkoff, you will find out if that cop believes in "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6".
 
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Muhammed said:
What innocent civilians did he threaten? Can you name a single one of them?

Got a reliable source to back up your contention that he was threatening people? Who told you he was threatening people?
MrVicchio said:
Ya know, you're right. He was just this guy, that picked up a BB gun and someone called 911, and the cop that showed up, he just saw gun and fired.
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Nice Dodge.

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CanadaJohn said:
It may have already been mentioned, but why was this gun not contained in some form of packaging while on display and for sale in the store? If it had been shrink wrapped and boxed it wouldn't look like a real gun, it would look like a toy in a box. Now, if it had been so packaged and the guy took it out of the packaging, that's another story.

I believe there is potential, particularly in America, for a lawsuit against both the manufacturer of the toy and Wal-Mart. It is irresponsible, in my view, to have a replica gun for sale in such a form that it can be paraded around a large store as if it's real. Especially, considering the number of crazed idiots who are actually doing such things with the real deal.

Police are not to blame at all under the circumstances.
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Why are you assuming the buyer didn't take it out of the package?

Edit: Nevermind, it was cleared up a few pages ago.
 
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