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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Wallmart sells liquor and walmart is not a liquor store. Wallmart sells groceries and wallmart is not a grocery store. Wallmart sells tires and does oil changes and wallmart is not an auto store. Walmart sells outdoor camping & sporting equipment and walmart is not a sporting-goods store.

    Walmart is a general store, not a specialty store.
    The original implication of the comment was that guns aren't sold at Wal-Mart so the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was. I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart is, indeed, a store that sells guns making it a gun store by any reasonable, rational view of the situation at issue.
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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The original implication of the comment was that guns aren't sold at Wal-Mart so the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was. I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart is, indeed, a store that sells guns making it a gun store by any reasonable, rational view of the situation at issue.
    Nobody implied any such thing.

    Walmart sells toys. Is Walmart a toy store?
    Walmart sells lingerie, is Walmart a lingerie store?

    The idiotic comment made by Muhammed was quoted and responded to.

    You took that response and twisted it into something never said.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The original implication of the comment was that guns aren't sold at Wal-Mart so the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was. I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart is, indeed, a store that sells guns making it a gun store by any reasonable, rational view of the situation at issue.
    When you look at a firearm in wallmart its with a special authorized employee standing right there. When you buy a firearm at walmart a manager carries the gun, in it's box, to the front of the store, and you pick it up as you leave. So yes the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When you look at a firearm in wallmart its with a special authorized employee standing right there. When you buy a firearm at walmart a manager carries the gun, in it's box, to the front of the store, and you pick it up as you leave. So yes the police would not expect someone to be carrying around a weapon in such a store and so would be more likely to confront and take down someone who was.
    I'm not questioning that - I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart sells guns.

    As for your comment, that leaves me with concerns that a bb gun - not a toy, as you stated earlier - is not better protected from being unpackaged prior to leaving the store, particularly if it can harm someone and if it looks like a more serious weapon.
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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Raphlie holding a modified version of the Red Ryder BB gun....
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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not questioning that - I was simply pointing out that Wal-Mart sells guns.
    Yes wallmart sells guns but wallmart is not a gun store.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As for your comment, that leaves me with concerns that a bb gun - not a toy, as you stated earlier - is not better protected from being unpackaged prior to leaving the store, particularly if it can harm someone and if it looks like a more serious weapon.
    This sort of thing is very rare. If it happened every day like murder in Chicago then we'de never hear about it. Normaly when someone wants to see a bb rifle, or any product for that matter, out of the package, they ask a store employee. At least then if someone sees a random person handling the gun they also see an employee standing right there. If there's still cause for alarm the employee takes the item back and if police are called they come upon an annoyed costomer watching an employee close the box back up.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Raphlie holding a modified version of the Red Ryder BB gun....
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    The lever action rifle from that movie was the assault rifle of its day. Also, Im a paramedic would you like to hear some of my BB/Pellet gun stories?

    Another point-your silly pic betrays your ignorance-a pellet gun is a pellet gun even if you think a scope and pistol grip make it into a scary death machine. Liberals have an almost superstitious fear and misunderstanding of guns.
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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I realize all that. Perhaps my wishing it were different is being misunderstood, various of my comments indicate respect for law enforcement.
    I am contemplating possible alternatives . In cases like this, it would be great if cops had training other than shoot to kill. Loss of life is permanent, people.
    Not having been in the situation ourselves, not knowing all the facts, I don't understand how we can render judgment either way. I would like to see some footage. How close was the cop to that man? How erratic did he behave? According to his girlfriend, BB man had received a phone call prior to the incident and was just wandering around the toy section. Again, how often did the cop ask him to put down the gun? How threatening did he appear? How close was the cop to the gunman? Do we have any actual footage or are a few sentences in an article all we need to condemn the BB man?
    When I target practice, I sometimes miss targets that are far, but never when they are right in front of me. Trying to picture WalMart aisles, the possibilities aren't that endless.
    What about the other woman who got shot as she was trying to take her kids out of harm's way ( if I understood correctly)? Could that have been avoided if the cop had aimed lower?
    How can we side one way or the other without having all the facts?
    When we target practice, it's just that ...a stationary target and practice.

    Under real world, stressful situation where someone is pointing a gun at you, accuracy is out the window for the most part.

    Look at those cops who sprayed that crowd of people in NYC shooting at one target.
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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    The guy could have taken a knife out of the packaging, ran around like has was gona stab people, and this result could be the same.

    Act like a jackass and you deserve what you get.

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    Re: Man Allegedly Shot Dead By Police In Wal-Mart For Carrying BB Gun He Picked Up In

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    I'd agree. Picking up a fake gun is one thing, but not making it known that it's a fake gun when confronted by authorities and pointing it at fellow customers is another altogether. It's easy to judge the officers actions in hindsight, but it appears he made the right choice based on what he thought were the facts of the matter at the time.
    His partner on the phone said she heard him say that it wasn't real. How clear do you want it?
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