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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

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US Conservative said:
Islamism isn't new and its not going away-the artifact was apolitical Islam-a result of arab nationalism.

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A writer for the international crisis group maintains!?!?! Well then, it must be true.... :roll:

Also, maintaining that because politics and religion were intertwined in the past in the region, they must be in the future is clearly ridiculous. Christianity was vitally important to European politics until quite recently, but secularism has risen in its place. But even so, it still rises up from time to time to play a more significant role. Then fade away to an extent, only to become more relevant again. That happens everywhere. Why is the Middle East different?
 
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Frodly said:
Again, do you know anything about the history? America spent decades and billions of dollars promoting Islamist groups. That is a fact. Until the 1970s and more the 1980s, secular groups dominated the political landscape in the Middle East. American interests were better served by Islamist groups, who were content with obtaining conservative social reforms, than by leftist and nationalist groups who would challenge the status quo in relation to oil politics. Nationalists/leftist like Mossadeq challenged that status quo and were deposed. Others like them were repressed and imprisoned by their local dictators. Islamism was certainly organic in some ways, but in many ways it was manufactured by the political structures of the region.
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No, he doesn't know and doesn't care how US policies have been abusive. Furthermore, no amount of proof will effect any change In his thinking. Best to just allow the blue moon effect.
 
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Frodly said:
A writer for the international crisis group maintains!?!?! Well then, it must be true.... :roll:

Also, maintaining that because politics and religion were intertwined in the past in the region, they must be in the future is clearly ridiculous. Christianity was vitally important to European politics until quite recently, but secularism has risen in its place. But even so, it still rises up from time to time to play a more significant role. Then fade away to an extent, only to become more relevant again. That happens everywhere. Why is the Middle East different?
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You dont understand, all of these aspects of society-govt, justice, religion, etc historically HAVE BEEN INSEPARABLY CALLED ISLAM. Islamic secular (relative term) states are an invention of the last century. Even Islamic socialism is distinct, from what you call socialism because of the supremacy of the religion.
 
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US Conservative said:
Im saying you can't tell from the picture. Twice now.
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I got it the first time. So, if her head was severed while she was still alive then is it safe to assume there would have been a lot of blood on her dress?
 
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Frodly said:
Christianity was vitally important to European politics until quite recently, but secularism has risen in its place. But even so, it still rises up from time to time to play a more significant role. Then fade away to an extent, only to become more relevant again. That happens everywhere. Why is the Middle East different?
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It is different because it continues to use the old medieval approach to war as Europe used some near thousand years ago. They go with "I shall behead you in the name of God" but most likely this is pure retaliation and hatred.

Such nonsense and hypocrisy!
 
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Moot said:
I got it the first time. So, if her head was severed while she was still alive then is it safe to assume there would have been a lot of blood on her dress?
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Are you talking about the photoshoped naked woman whose neck was cut and blood was pouring to a dish?
 
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Damned ****ing third world goat herders.
 
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DDD said:
Are you talking about the photoshoped naked woman whose neck was cut and blood was pouring to a dish?
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No, the pics of the beheaded little girl in the party dress...there wasn't any blood on her dress. How do you know the naked woman pic was photo shopped?
 
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Moot said:
No, the pics of the beheaded little girl in the party dress...there wasn't any blood on her dress. How do you know the naked woman pic was photo shopped?
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Too clean, well lit, CGI blood, and most importantly the woman had a beautiful model body and was needlessly naked.
 
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DDD said:
True.

They seem to have missed the rennessance period.
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Those people surely are barbaric, they don't fight a normal fight. Every time I hear beheading, it makes my skin crawl.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Those people surely are barbaric, they don't fight a normal fight. Every time I hear beheading, it makes my skin crawl.
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What they need is the rennesaince period. Someone to enlighten them to the civilized times that we live today.

The first challenge is to not respond as barbarically however tempting it may be (e.g., Israel in Gaza) for they may be more immune to that. The second challenge is to influence their growth into our civilized times by avoiding reactance (i.e., their fears of changing their culture).
 
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DDD said:
What they need is the rennesaince period. Someone to enlighten them to the civilized times that we live today.

The first challenge is to not respond as barbarically however tempting it may be (e.g., Israel in Gaza) for they may be more immune to that. The second challenge is to influence their growth into our civilized times by avoiding reactance (i.e., their fears of changing their culture).
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The Renaissance in Europe did not come at the barrel of a gun. Enlightenments rarely do.
 
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Anybody laying bets yet as to when we can stop calling this a "religion of peace"?
 
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The Baron said:
Anybody laying bets yet as to when we can stop calling this a "religion of peace"?
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We don't judge all Christians by a tiny minority.
 
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Kobie said:
The Renaissance in Europe did not come at the barrel of a gun. Enlightenments rarely do.
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This should especially be the case since Middle Easterners whom lived in poverty and dire circumstances have become desensitized to brute force. Perhaps if they are stronger to reach by force (under a gun) they may be weaker at reaching with enlightenment?
 
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The Baron said:
Anybody laying bets yet as to when we can stop calling this a "religion of peace"?
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Blaming religion because radicals abuse the religion is iditoic. That's like blaming Christianity for all the kooks out there that abuse it and commit crimes in its name.

Or more importantly like blaming the gun instead of the person misusing the weapon.
 
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Montecresto said:
We don't judge all Christians by a tiny minority.
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I think we've had this discussion before Monte, but I think at this point, we can safely assume that this isn't a "tiny minority" we're talking about. After all, how many people do you think are in that Quran burning, funeral protesting church anyways? 50? 100? Isis literally has an army that is ready to kill. That's not counting all those that support them all over the middle east.
 
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Kobie said:
The Renaissance in Europe did not come at the barrel of a gun. Enlightenments rarely do.
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Did it not? I mean, didn't it begin with Europe finally growing tired of religious wars after all?
 
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TobyOne said:
These are the guys that Al Qaeda considers too extreme. What did Obama think would happen if he withdrew? What an ass.
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Are you saying that the U.S. should have stayed in Iraq permanently? Also remember this:

Status of Forces Agreement from October 2008. Obama was elected in November of that year.

All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.
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Montecresto said:
We don't judge all Christians by a tiny minority.
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TheNextEra said:
Blaming religion because radicals abuse the religion is iditoic. That's like blaming Christianity for all the kooks out there that abuse it and commit crimes in its name.

Or more importantly like blaming the gun instead of the person misusing the weapon.
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These people aren’t “kooks”, “radicals” or “minorities”. These are fundamentalist who are simply doing what their religion requires.
 
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How many millennia have to pass before we get tired of waiting on this part of the world to grow up?
 
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The Baron said:
These people aren’t “kooks”, “radicals” or “minorities”. These are fundamentalist who are simply doing what their religion requires.
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So when the bible tells people to stone others, I guess that is the fualt of the religion then right? Remember not all people believe or follow the New Testament.

I think you just hate Muslims.
 
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