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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

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Not sure. Using your data, it appears that in the 10 years prior, 1991 to 2001, the population grew from 18,561,000 to 23, 584,000. An increase of 27%. And from 2001 to 2011 the population grew from 23,584,000 to 32,540,000, and increase of 38%. 38% is 40% higher than 27%. Seems like a healthy improvement.

Thanks for verifying that part of my point. But my main point is that the media lied and talked about how millions fled Iraq during the war and Lancet published studies Oct, 2004 and Oct 2006 (Oddly timed to shortly before US elections and widely reported in the media) about 100,000 Iraqis killed and 600,000 Iraqis killed, respectively. Yet when the war was over a more official report is that 103,000 Iraqis were killed total and most of those in the civil war that allied forces were trying to limit.


How does a country's growth rate increase 40% over the previous war when a war is going on?

it is somewhat counter intuitive that the population would actually grow during a war, let alone grow faster than it did before the war started. I believe that must be faster growth than we were experiencing in the USA during that time.
 
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In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.
 
Re: Legitimate government powers

"general Welfare of the United States;"
If this was true then why did't the framers simply say the Congress can do whatever it wants?

The general welfare is encompassed in the enumerated powers. Would you consider, for the sake of liberty and freedom, reading the Federalist, and Anti-Federalist papers? I believe it would help you to see how much danger your ignorance has put you in. You are smart enough to profit from it. Should you have children they will have a reason to thank you.

Same reason we have the CDC, and fund medical research.
Do you believe it is the federal government's role to execute every idea? The CDC is a reasonable defensive response to a defensive problem.

Same reason we NO LONGER have extortionist criminal firemen. (watch " gangs of NY" for a example)
Do you believe that firemen are a part of the federal government?

if the rich are to live, Obamacare needs to stay.
The rich will be fine. Consider the nation. Consider the citizens. If Obamacare stands we will no longer be a free people in just a few short years.
 
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Our problem was not ousting the Taliban. our problem (which Bush and Obama are both responsible for) is that we have done a pisspoor job of post war ops. That starts in our congress and with the incessant game of politics people have engaged in since immediately after the war ended.
This is an interesting observation.

Whose role should it be to determine the post conflict strategy? In the past the state department had the responsibility. Should it be the department of defense?

I have never trusted the state department to act on the nation's behalf. Now I place the Executive branch, less DoD in the same category.
 
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In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.

That's racist. :lol:
 
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He took credit for making the decision to pull the final troops out during his campaign - when he could have negotiated for them to stay as the Bush admin was going to do. The decision to pull the troops out was clearly his. He doesn't have a clue about how the world works. He should go back to organizing bake sales.


As opposed to a person who planned to invade another country, completely dismantle the entirety of its state infrastructure, rebuild that state entirely.... all in an effort to reshape the world in America's image to create the new American century? It is one of the most insane and naive endeavors ever undertaken and only people who have no idea of how the world works would have ever undertaken such an endeavor!! Obama is incompetent and is accountable for a lot, but this is Bush's mess NOT Obama's.

Moving on to ISIS, or "The Islamic State" as these maniacs want to be called, the entire world should be worried about these fanatics. One of the people I went to grad school with is a Syrian journalist and knows more about them than the vast majority of people, and she says they scare her more than anyone she has ever come in contact with. He has been covering the Syrian civil war from the beginning, so she has seen a lot of scary people.

While I was working in Palestine, a Palestinian student told me that ISIS made him, for the first time in his life, be thankful for occupation, because he knew ISIS would never come there. If that doesn't tell you what sorts of monsters you are dealing with, I don't know what will.

Lastly, this is not like the technocratic Muslim Brotherhood, whose members tended to be Middle Class and invested in the status quo. They were a fake boogeyman, distorted by right wing war mongers and bigots to promote their sick agenda. ISIS is a real boogeyman, they are made up of radicals and they are a danger to not only Iraq, but everyone around them. I have opposed essentially every American intervention in the Middle East. However, something has to be done about these fanatics, or real humanitarian crisis could be on the horizon.
 
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In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.

Americans have long suffered for this, but clearly many are dying round the world for the mistake of electing this president.
 
Re: Legitimate government powers

If this was true then why did't the framers simply say the Congress can do whatever it wants?

The general welfare is encompassed in the enumerated powers. Would you consider, for the sake of liberty and freedom, reading the Federalist, and Anti-Federalist papers? I believe it would help you to see how much danger your ignorance has put you in. You are smart enough to profit from it. Should you have children they will have a reason to thank you.


Do you believe it is the federal government's role to execute every idea? The CDC is a reasonable defensive response to a defensive problem.


Do you believe that firemen are a part of the federal government?


The rich will be fine. Consider the nation. Consider the citizens. If Obamacare stands we will no longer be a free people in just a few short years.

To her the constitution is an obstacle. Irrelevant and created by corrupt and evil men. Therefore the constitution does NOT mean what it says, it means what it OUGHT to mean.
 
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As opposed to a person who planned to invade another country, completely dismantle the entirety of its state infrastructure, rebuild that state entirely.... all in an effort to reshape the world in America's image to create the new American century? It is one of the most insane and naive endeavors ever undertaken and only people who have no idea of how the world works would have ever undertaken such an endeavor!! Obama is incompetent and is accountable for a lot, but this is Bush's mess NOT Obama's.

Moving on to ISIS, or "The Islamic State" as these maniacs want to be called, the entire world should be worried about these fanatics. One of the people I went to grad school with is a Syrian journalist and knows more about them than the vast majority of people, and she says they scare her more than anyone she has ever come in contact with. He has been covering the Syrian civil war from the beginning, so she has seen a lot of scary people.

While I was working in Palestine, a Palestinian student told me that ISIS made him, for the first time in his life, be thankful for occupation, because he knew ISIS would never come there. If that doesn't tell you what sorts of monsters you are dealing with, I don't know what will.

Lastly, this is not like the technocratic Muslim Brotherhood, whose members tended to be Middle Class and invested in the status quo. They were a fake boogeyman, distorted by right wing war mongers and bigots to promote their sick agenda. ISIS is a real boogeyman, they are made up of radicals and they are a danger to not only Iraq, but everyone around them. I have opposed essentially every American intervention in the Middle East. However, something has to be done about these fanatics, or real humanitarian crisis could be on the horizon.

Its apparent to me that Islamism in general and ISIS in particular may be the biggest threat to world peace and freedom since the Soviet Union/Nazi's.
 
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In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.

They were both worthless idiots.

W/the completely one-sided media coverage of ISIS as of yet, one wonders how much CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc. are in Tillerson's pocket.
 
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As opposed to a person who planned to invade another country, completely dismantle the entirety of its state infrastructure, rebuild that state entirely.... all in an effort to reshape the world in America's image to create the new American century? It is one of the most insane and naive endeavors ever undertaken and only people who have no idea of how the world works would have ever undertaken such an endeavor!! Obama is incompetent and is accountable for a lot, but this is Bush's mess NOT Obama's.

Moving on to ISIS, or "The Islamic State" as these maniacs want to be called, the entire world should be worried about these fanatics.

Nope, the world should be more concerned w/the brain-dead idiot red-white-and-bluers who apparently are too stupid to consider the possibility that their own media is simply offering them one-sided coverage of a conflict as a means to foster support for another childish Third-World intervention.

One of the people I went to grad school with is a Syrian journalist and knows more about them than the vast majority of people,

Good, you should ask her whether every single person in Iraq who is fighting against the Shiite-dominated Iran-backed regime in Iraq refers to him/herself as ISIS of whether every single member of ISIS supports the kind of extremism that's cited by the media, or whether those extremists merely represent a small segment of larger group w/a more general goal--something that's typical of every political movement in the history of the planet, except in the world of limbaugh-make-believe where there are only goodies and baddies.
 
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Its apparent to me that Islamism in general and ISIS in particular may be the biggest threat to world peace and freedom since the Soviet Union/Nazi's.


What do you know about Islamism? Do you know the history of American support for Islamists? Do you know the history of support for Islamists by American backed dictators? ISIS is a real threat to the peoples of the Middle East. Islamism is a trumped up bogeyman to scare right wingers into being obsequious and casting their glare away from the pillaging that is happening inside their own homes, and instead focus on a scary threat half way across the world.
 
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What do you know about Islamism? Do you know the history of American support for Islamists?

He's a konservative. He knows what rush told him. The End.

Do you know the history of support for Islamists by American backed dictators? ISIS is a real threat to the peoples of the Middle East. Islamism is a trumped up bogeyman to scare right wingers into being obsequious and casting their glare away from the pillaging that is happening inside their own homes, and instead focus on a scary threat half way across the world.

Caspar the Friendly Ghost is enough to scare righties. Why do they need ISIS?
 
[ anyone aware of a better source on the subject?

Frankly, regardless of whether this story is truly as horrible as is being claimed, I'm glad to see that we've finally taken action by authorizing airstrikes.
This is not good...
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

What do you know about Islamism? Do you know the history of American support for Islamists? Do you know the history of support for Islamists by American backed dictators? ISIS is a real threat to the peoples of the Middle East. Islamism is a trumped up bogeyman to scare right wingers into being obsequious and casting their glare away from the pillaging that is happening inside their own homes, and instead focus on a scary threat half way across the world.

I know its a cancer on the world. Both of my parents spent time all over the ME (Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon) teaching at various American schools. They told me how poorly Arabs treat not just Christians and Jews, but each other. Both experienced threats and there was an attack on one school. Not all were islamist, some were "just" political and anti-American.

Islamism is more than a religion/govt/judiciary...it is a cancer on the world and it wont be stopped until its excised.
 
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I know its a cancer on the world.

TRANSLATION: "I know that foxnews told me it's a cancer on the world."

Both of my parents spent time all over the ME (Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon) teaching at various American schools. They told me how poorly Arabs treat not just Christians and Jews, but each other.

Your parents need to get out more. . .

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The American Muslim (TAM)

Muslim Woman Valedictorian at Israel's Top Medical School
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

This is an interesting observation.

Whose role should it be to determine the post conflict strategy? In the past the state department had the responsibility. Should it be the department of defense?

I have never trusted the state department to act on the nation's behalf. Now I place the Executive branch, less DoD in the same category.
If our government was functional, Id say creating that postwar vision would have been a relatively simple tasking and partnership. Reagan could sit down with his cabinet, his Sec of State, and democrat leaders and work together. Bush Sr could. Clinton was a genius at it which is why he may have had the morals of a sewer rat but he was still a great president. It helped that both parties were occasionally able to work together to achieve that whole greater good thing. Ultimately...we elect a president as the head of the executive branch and the leader of the country. We have party leaderships that are supposed to work towards their vision of a greater good for the country and they work together to achieve that.

We have lost that. I think if you look back at the political turning point for our country it began with the Impeachment hearing of Clinton. That should have been handled so much better by everyone involved. It was made fatal with the defeat of Gore. I dont know that we have ever recovered. Unless we get a real leader in the WH...I dont know if we ever will.
 
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ISIS isn't exactly hospitable to western journalists, are they?
You are demonstrating the trait seen after the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc-trying to find another way to explain these horrific events.

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Your reply is rather ignorant....not unexpected though. If I were an editor of news service I would check to see if the images indeed were actual and were from the region they were reportedly taken from.
 
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Its amazing that you can claim to know exactly who I am via one post here. Remarkable.

You're a conservative, so we already know who you are. . .

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Attack away, Im not the one beheading small children.

Recent history demonstrates that conservatives generally favor bombing them w/planes.
 
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Your reply is rather ignorant....not unexpected though. If I were an editor of news service I would check to see if the images indeed were actual and were from the region they were reportedly taken from.

However, if you're an editor at foxnews, all you have to do is take some pic of a guy beheading kids and then claim it's proof that ISIS (or whatever group proves itself a threat to US corporate interests overseas) beheads kids.
 
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Your reply is rather ignorant....not unexpected though. If I were an editor of news service I would check to see if the images indeed were actual and were from the region they were reportedly taken from.

Or you could just check the Reuters and AP news feeds. :roll:
 
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However, if you're an editor at foxnews, all you have to do is take some pic of a guy beheading kids and then claim it's proof that ISIS (or whatever group proves itself a threat to US corporate interests overseas) beheads kids.

Just out of curiosity, have you checked out any of the photos yourself? I'm going to guess no.

I've looked at a few of the photos (not at Fox; I've no idea what they've made available, but I doubt they're as graphic as the pics I've seen). I don't think the one of the little girl's body on the floor, headless, and then the one of her father holding up her little body, headless, is bogus.

Are you invested somehow in denying that ISIS is killing little kids?
 
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Your reply is rather ignorant....not unexpected though. If I were an editor of news service I would check to see if the images indeed were actual and were from the region they were reportedly taken from.

Again what reason do you have to question their credibility? This is how we get news out of war torn regions. Earlier this week video was posted of a park surrounded by gates where heads topped every gate post. How about the mass executions last week, into pits and rivers? Are those fake too?
 
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Just out of curiosity, have you checked out any of the photos yourself? I'm going to guess no.

I've looked at a few of the photos (not at Fox; I've no idea what they've made available, but I doubt they're as graphic as the pics I've seen). I don't think the one of the little girl's body on the floor, headless, and then the one of her father holding up her little body, headless, is bogus.

Are you invested somehow in denying that ISIS is killing little kids?

What makes you say this? Btw Ive seen people up close who have been beheaded or otherwise murdered and often the first impression you have is that its not real-as in it looks fake or like a movie.
 
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