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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

Obamas own current military advisors told him to stay. That is now, with the intelligence they have now.
So YOU TELL ME if we are valuing our military advice or not, just tell me so we can play by your own rules.

And the President of Iraq told us to leave. You can't have it both ways. either Bush installed a stable Democracy like he said and we needed to respect the Iraqi's wishes OR it was always just a Iranian puppet Govt. that could not govern Iraq unless the US stayed indefinitely. Are you calling Bush a liar when he signed the agreement to leave Iraq? That there never was a Govt. to leave it to?
 
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Come pick me up in your time machine so we can go back and help saddam. :doh

Saddam is history, this is today. Unless you have a time machine lets talk about what we can change.

Well unless you know of any brutal strongman dictators we can prop up in Iraq, I think we are left with the situation there as it is. As I have said before, some of y'all would throw a stick of dynamite into an outhouse and then bitch about there being sh*t everywhere.
 
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Well unless you know of any brutal strongman dictators we can prop up in Iraq, I think we are left with the situation there as it is. As I have said before, some of y'all would throw a stick of dynamite into an outhouse and then bitch about there being sh*t everywhere.

Ah no, false choice. Do you honestly believe today that the US should install a dictator in Iraq? How about we send Obama?
 
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What does any of that have to do with the stupid idea of creating a Christian army to wipe out Muslims?
I was following the "...and not as messy to have stayed out of the ME and not ignited it to begin with..." line of reasoning.

If we hadn't done what we did, according to you, then none of this would have happened. So if we had stayed out of world war two the Jews would have been slaughtered and today's problems would be very different.
 
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I was following the "...and not as messy to have stayed out of the ME and not ignited it to begin with..." line of reasoning.

If we hadn't done what we did, according to you, then none of this would have happened. So if we had stayed out of world war two the Jews would have been slaughtered and today's problems would be very different.

And they will tell you that things would have been worse without Obama's stimulus. Because they can see parallel time? No-because they say so.
 


ISIS has offered Christians in Iraq an ultimatum: "Convert or die." Those who do not (women, children, and men alike) are being beheaded, shot in the streets, and crucified.

Chaldean leaders are calling for Western nations to offer refugees asylum.

A number of Christian websources are corroborating some of the more grisly details of the story.

(EXTREMELY NSFW)



I haven't been able to find much else, however. Is anyone aware of a better source on the subject?

Frankly, regardless of whether this story is truly as horrible as is being claimed, I'm glad to see that we've finally taken action by authorizing airstrikes.

That's fine, just don't mess with the oil market and 'Merica will let you be.
 
It just never ends. Were the people better with Hussein?

Muslims vs Christians. Sunnis vs Shiites. Kurds vs Isis.

The only way we can stabilize the region is to have permanent street patrol with American soldiers on every block and we will still be hated.
 
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Ah no, false choice. Do you honestly believe today that the US should install a dictator in Iraq? How about we send Obama?

Now we're getting somewhere. Send Obama over and THEN bomb the **** out of it.
 
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I think everyone but the most partisan Republicans knows that had we never went into Iraq, continued with the policy of containment with Saddam, that today there would be no ISIS, there would be no civil war in Syria, there would be no strengthened Iran that was on its way to a possible nuclear bomb, there would be no Al Qaeda in Iraq, we would not have lost thousands of men there nor spent over a trillion dollars, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens would not have been killed.

Yes, Saddam was a bad man, but he was a contained bad man that was no longer a threat to us, our allies, or even for the most part his own people (due to no fly zones). The question was then would going in and toppling him leave Iraq better than it was before. We know the answer to that now and many of us figured we knew what would happen then. The fact that some on the war mongering right still doesn't get it is no surprise to anyone. What would you have us do? Keep tens of thousands of American soldiers there for decades to come, and spend a hundred million dollars a year or more for decades to come, just so we can hold the mess together?

Do you not know that after the fall of Saddam Hussein and the retirement of George Bush, Barrack Obama said Iraq was stable and Biden said Iraq was their greatest achievement? If they are telling the truth, how can you possibly claim that Iraq is now worse because of the Iraq war when, in the words of the President Obama just three years ago, it was 'stable'??

Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'
 
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Yeah, lets just have a global war between Christians and Muslim, arm all 2-1/2 billion of them and let them have at it. Would have been far easier, and not as messy to have stayed out of the ME and not ignited it to begin with.

When do you think we entered the middle east and why?
 
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When do you think we entered the middle east and why?

Well we've been in and out of it pretty much since WW1 and largely for oil. Next question
 
It just never ends. Were the people better with Hussein?

Muslims vs Christians. Sunnis vs Shiites. Kurds vs Isis.

The only way we can stabilize the region is to have permanent street patrol with American soldiers on every block and we will still be hated.

And picked off one by one.
 
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What did Obama think would happen if he withdrew? What an ass.

You know the U.S. is not the only country in the world, other countries could have EASILY picked up the slack should they have chosen to do so. Good going on blaming Obama for EVERYTHING though.
 
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You know the U.S. is not the only country in the world, other countries could have EASILY picked up the slack should they have chosen to do so. Good going on blaming Obama for EVERYTHING though.

I'd be willing to give him credit for something. But what is there that we can really point to?
 
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I'd be willing to give him credit for something. But what is there that we can really point to?

So Obama is the ONLY person in the world that could have done something? Talk about your blame America first crowd or rather the blame Obama first crowd.
 
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These are the guys that Al Qaeda considers too extreme. What did Obama think would happen if he withdrew? What an ass.

What did GWB think would happen if we invaded?

Was the idea that we stay forever?

Because forever is what it will take.
 
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What did GWB think would happen if we invaded?

Was the idea that we stay forever?

Because forever is what it will take.
How long did it take to stabilize Germany post WW2?

Perhaps if both parties hadnt immediately switched from universal support of the war against terrorism to campaign mode at the expense of the mission and troops, the outcome there would have been radically different.
 
Re: Legitimate government powers

Which enumerated power was that again?

Here is the list:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow on the credit of the United States;

Middle removed

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coi

If we are to survive as a free people Obamacare must be overthrown.​


"general Welfare of the United States;"
Same reason we have the CDC, and fund medical research.
Same reason we NO LONGER have extortionist criminal firemen. (watch " gangs of NY" for a example)

if the rich are to live, Obamacare needs to stay.​
 
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Obamacare working for you does not prove it works. The fact that you rely upon on it proves that you are part of the parasite "entitlement" crowd that is too lazy and stupid to earn it for themselves and that society should finally learn that it is a total and complete waste of valuable resources to keep supporting leaching parasites.

Say, what do your CEO's and executives "produce"....................ummmmm

I work and "produce" and yet I dont get a living wage and get no HC from the job...................

Seems you have nothing to stand on.
 
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Do you not know that after the fall of Saddam Hussein and the retirement of George Bush, Barrack Obama said Iraq was stable and Biden said Iraq was their greatest achievement? If they are telling the truth, how can you possibly claim that Iraq is now worse because of the Iraq war when, in the words of the President Obama just three years ago, it was 'stable'??

Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'

So what?? Imagine that, a politician trying to polish a turd... Keep a 100,000 American troops over there and it will be stable as long as we are there. Is that what you want?
 
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Say, what do your CEO's and executives "produce"....................ummmmm

I work and "produce" and yet I dont get a living wage and get no HC from the job...................

Seems you have nothing to stand on.

You get what you earned for yourself. Want more, make yourself more valuable. Get educated in a marketable skill.

Minimum wage is a living wage. It is not a living wage at the lifestyle you think you should have. If you live in a flop house with 30 other people with a shared bathroom, eat a communal kitchen and don't have healthcare, tough ****, that is all you earn for yourself. The problem is not society. It is not Corporations. It is those workers who are too lazy and too stupid to do better.

CEOs have much greater responsibility and affect the profitability of a company far more than a minimum wage worker ever could. Good CEOs are hard to find and costly to obtain. Minimum wage workers are a dime a dozen and easily replaced without anyone but them even noticing.

The big difference between you and those being beheaded in Iraq for being Christian is that you have had a plethora of opportunity to improve your own life but choose not to take them and they have had no opportunities to improve their lot in life.
 
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