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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

Well. Before you start pointing fingers at parties about wars, learn the history first.
You've been pointing fingers at only one party in multiple threads all night.
Rewriting History began with the chicken**** chickenhawks Cheney and Rumsfeld with their disastrous decade .
 
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ever since you joined their ranks... yes.

We've been through this and when I cleared it up you acknowledged you were wrong. And now you are doing it again. I'm not a part of the Democratic Party I'm still independent. I voted for Obama in the last election and that was about the only thing I've done different since you've met me. So the whole "joining their ranks"... dunno what your talking about.
 
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The person I quoted was pissing and moaning about withdrawing. The alternative to that would be staying. We should have never gone in in the first place. So pissing and moaning about withdrawing is being blind to the real source of the problem... which was being stupid enough to go in there in the first place.

while you and me agree on that point ( mostly)...(I preferred assassination over idiot invasion )
you can't unbreak eggs ....you can clean up the mess , or leave it messy... but refusing to move beyond saying " the other guy broke the eggs" is ****ing ignorant.. and seriously, for 6 years all y'all have said is " Bush broke the eggs"


what's Obama going ot do about Iraq?..."Bush brike the eggs..."

how about ISIS?.. how's Obama going to handle them?..."Bush broke the eggs...."


at this point, i'd rather have Bush in office, at least then you Democrats would hold somebody accountable for something going on currently
 
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Well. Before you start pointing fingers at parties about wars, learn the history first. In 200+ years, there is only one or two Democrats that did not enter us into wars and their actions later lead to wars, some of which we are still fighting. Like Jimmy Carter who chickened out and let Iran become so dominant in the ME. You want to blame Republicans when traditionally, they have not been the war party. Of the ones in recent history that did preside over the start of a war, it was the result of actions not taken by Democrats that proceeded them, such as Jimmy "the Coward" Carter and Bill "Slick Willy" Clinton.

Partisan delusion is so hilarious.
 
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These are the guys that Al Qaeda considers too extreme. What did Obama think would happen if he withdrew? What an ass.

This isn't caused by the withdrawal, it's caused by the invasion. Did those jackasses in charge actually think that they could uproot a dictator and democracy would flower there? Saddam wouldn't have tolerated Al Qaida or anyone else in his sandbox and you guys tossed him out.
Es ist alles upgefuct. Get out and stay out.
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

We've been through this and when I cleared it up you acknowledged you were wrong. And now you are doing it again. I'm not a part of the Democratic Party I'm still independent. I voted for Obama in the last election and that was about the only thing I've done different since you've met me. So the whole "joining their ranks"... dunno what your talking about.

you told me you registered Democrat..... or maybe i was drunk,i dunno... in any event, everythign you say anymore is a DNC talking point.

but whatever.... keep going after Bush bro...nothing like living in the past and ignoring the present.
 
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Lol !

6 years in and " Bush owns it " ?? Wow...

Isis wasn't marching around Iraq killing Christians and threatening Genocide when Bush was in office.

Or when Saddam was alive.
 
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while you and me agree on that point ( mostly)...(I preferred assassination over idiot invasion )
you can't unbreak eggs ....you can clean up the mess , or leave it messy... but refusing to move beyond saying " the other guy broke the eggs" is ****ing ignorant.. and seriously, for 6 years all y'all have said is " Bush broke the eggs"


what's Obama going ot do about Iraq?..."Bush brike the eggs..."

how about ISIS?.. how's Obama going to handle them?..."Bush broke the eggs...."


at this point, i'd rather have Bush in office, at least then you Democrats would hold somebody accountable for something going on currently

I'm not invoking Bush broke the eggs out of the blue. When I say that it is in response to the whole crap that this entire mess is somehow Obama broke the eggs. Then you chime in as if I started the conversation when I was merely replying to extreme partisan garbage. I'm not starting threads saying "thanks bush for breaking the eggs."

ISIS... Is Obama doing something. Yes. So he's trying to clean it up. I dunno how he'll handle it but I'm not going to back what he does simply because his name is Obama and he's a Democrat. I know how I'd probably approach it and it's the same way you say you agreed with me originally. Black Op the hell out of the dirty side of it and do the humanitarian aid as publicly as you could possibly do it and work hard on the whole hearts and minds angle which shouldn't be too hard being that ISIS is as brutal as they are.

But as I was saying in another thread, this will boil down to it being a shadow war with Saudi's funding ISIS so... that's a whole other ball of wax that needs to be dealt with.
 
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Do you have a point here? We know Obama removed the troops from Iraq and we can see the consequences. We also know that the Bush Administration expected the troops to remain, though there would be further negotiations.

Iraq was simply not ready to look after itself without American, or Coalition, help. Certainly BHO kept his election promise but was that really so much more important than what inevitably happened?
 
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you told me you registered Democrat..... or maybe i was drunk,i dunno... in any event, everythign you say anymore is a DNC talking point.

but whatever.... keep going after Bush bro...nothing like living in the past and ignoring the present.

If you say so. I'm as liberal as I've ever been and if you think I'm doing talking points... All I can say is... refusing to buy the GOP talking points isn't pushing DNC talking points.
 
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Partisan delusion is so hilarious.

????????

How is what I said "partisan" delusions? Hell, I'm OTHER, not Dem or Rep. Reps are just the lesser of two evils. Mainly because when they were in power they were lazy and did almost nothing.
 
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????????

How is what I said "partisan" delusions? Hell, I'm OTHER, not Dem or Rep. Reps are just the lesser of two evils. Mainly because when they were in power they were lazy and did almost nothing.

Your post isn't "other" no matter what you claim to be. Your post is partisan garbage not grounded in fact but rather grounded emotion.
 
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If you say so. I'm as liberal as I've ever been and if you think I'm doing talking points... All I can say is... refusing to buy the GOP talking points isn't pushing DNC talking points.

I guess it's just a coincidence that your talking points match the DNC's and you have become an ardent Obama defender.<shrugs>

it don't matter.. i still like ya.... you're the only commie bastard i do like:lol:
 
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ISIS wouldnt have existed if we didnt invade Iraq in the first place. Therefore the US created them.
 
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Bush is not in office and Saddam is dead.


now what?

Your Republicans will continue to take time off from their August vacations to cheap-shot and back-stab the President on the world stage as they have for six years .
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

Do you have a point here? We know Obama removed the troops from Iraq and we can see the consequences. We also know that the Bush Administration expected the troops to remain, though there would be further negotiations.

Iraq was simply not ready to look after itself without American, or Coalition, help. Certainly BHO kept his election promise but was that really so much more important than what inevitably happened?

This has been expalined many times. But here we go again:

""As the senior Pentagon official responsible for Iraq policy during the first three years of the Obama administration, I had a front-row seat for the internal deliberations over how to end the war. Through the first half of 2011, there was a vigorous debate within the administration about whether U.S. forces should remain in Iraq beyond December, and if so, in what numbers and with what missions. Ultimately, at great political risk, President Obama approved negotiations with the Iraqi government to allow a force of around 5,000 American troops to stay in Iraq to provide counterterrorism support and air cover and to train the Iraqi army. But, as commander in chief, he was unwilling to strand U.S. forces in a hostile, anti-American environment without the legal protections and immunities required to ensure soldiers didn’t end up in Iraqi jails. These protections, which are common in nearly every country where U.S. forces operate, were guaranteed under the 2008 status of forces agreement negotiated by the Bush administration; Obama simply demanded that they continue under any follow-on accord.

Iraq’s prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, told U.S. negotiators that he was willing to sign an executive memorandum of understanding that included these legal protections. But for any agreement to be binding under the Iraqi constitution, it had to be approved by the Iraqi parliament. This was the judgment of every senior administration lawyer and Maliki’s own legal adviser, and no senior U.S. military commander made the case that we should leave forces behind without these protections. Even Sen. John McCain, perhaps the administration’s harshest Iraq critic, admitted in a December 2011 speech discussing the withdrawal that the president’s demand for binding legal immunities “was a matter of vital importance.” Moreover, because the 2008 security agreement had been approved by the Iraqi parliament, it seemed both unrealistic and politically unsustainable to apply a lower standard this time around.

No, Obama Didn


In one of his final acts in office, President Bush in December of 2008 had signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the Iraqi government that set the clock ticking on ending the war he’d launched in March of 2003. The SOFA provided a legal basis for the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq after the United Nations Security Council mandate for the occupation mission expired at the end of 2008. But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.

But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based."
Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence | TIME.com
 
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????????

How is what I said "partisan" delusions? Hell, I'm OTHER, not Dem or Rep. Reps are just the lesser of two evils. Mainly because when they were in power they were lazy and did almost nothing.

I wouldn't call Iraq and the ballooning of the federal deficit and debt nothing .
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

Nature abhors a vacuum. You break it you buy it. Withdraw US troops and assholes like these take over. This was easily avoided. Obama reaps what he sows. Another **** up.



This isn't caused by the withdrawal, it's caused by the invasion. Did those jackasses in charge actually think that they could uproot a dictator and democracy would flower there? Saddam wouldn't have tolerated Al Qaida or anyone else in his sandbox and you guys tossed him out.
Es ist alles upgefuct. Get out and stay out.
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

ISIS wouldnt have existed if we didnt invade Iraq in the first place. Therefore the US created them.

well there ya go people... ISIS is a US creation.... Al queda too, obvsiouly.

we should invade the US and kill all those evil terrorists creators.
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

Bush is not in office and Saddam is dead.


now what?

My call? Get out and stay out. It's unfixable.
 
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