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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Wait, you think a govt paycheck is going to make people take risks? NOT simply vote for their dinner? It creates an incentive (money) AGAINST making your own. This is basic economics-and why the war on poverty has been such a spectacular failure.
    See what I mean about belittling a group of people? Idea that people would rather be on the dole than working a good job is purely propaganda.

    The overall poverty rate fell by almost 40% from 1967 to 2012. The poverty rate for children fell by a similar amount, for those of working-age the rate fell by 23% and for the elderly a remarkable 78%.Whatever one thinks about the desirability of a "war on poverty" or the way that it has been implemented ideologically or politically, we should all be able to agree that the incidence of poverty -- as measured by the SPM -- has dropped dramatically since the 1960s. A major explanation for the drop is government programs focused on the poor, as documented by Wimer et al..

    Even though there remains considerable inequality and outright poverty (still 16% in 2012), as well as important debates on what "poverty" actually means, we can also look at the numbers and conclude that the "war on poverty" has been a success.
    Roger Pielke Jr.'s Blog: Was the "War on Poverty" a Success? Yes.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    See what I mean about belittling a group of people? Idea that people would rather be on the dole than working a good job is purely propaganda.
    Its not about what people would rather do-its about what actions they take. This isn't an emotion based argument.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its not about what people would rather do-its about what actions they take. This isn't an emotion based argument.
    It is not an argument alright, it is a lie.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    See what I mean about belittling a group of people? Idea that people would rather be on the dole than working a good job is purely propaganda.

    Roger Pielke Jr.'s Blog: Was the "War on Poverty" a Success? Yes.

    Nice little chart-whats the vertical axis from your blog pic supposed to be?

    Pssst-now note that poverty was falling much faster BEFORE the war on poverty, its odd the chart fails to show that.


    Start on page 21. http://irp.wisc.edu/publications/dps/pdfs/dp116698.pdf


    Juvenilization of poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    "As shown in the chart, Census Bureau data reveal that the poverty rate was steadily falling in the 1950s and early 1960s, but then stagnated once the War on Poverty began. It’s possible that there are alternative and/or additional explanations for this shocking development, but government intervention may be encouraging poverty by making indolence more attractive than work." Does the War on Poverty Fight Destitution or Subsidize It? | International Liberty

    EDIT-we are getting too far into the weeds, lets discuss this elsewhere.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There you have it, as I said, you don't judge an entire group from the minority bad players. Though its been attempted here.
    Yes, I have it but it seems you don't. The 'moderate' Muslims are irrelevant because they have made themselves irrelevant. They are not worth mentioning, just as those non-Nazi Germans, or Non-Communist Russians, don't matter either. We don't bother mentioning that not all Germans were Nazis or not all Russians were Communist, nor should there be any reason to say that not all Muslims are terrorists. We know that anyway, as the link said.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    See what I mean about belittling a group of people? Idea that people would rather be on the dole than working a good job is purely propaganda.
    It's not a matter of rather being on the dole it's the habit of being on the dole and the difficulty in breaking that habit. Many on the dole will rationalize that it doesn't pay for them to work, and they are right.

    When Bill Clinton made collecting welfare more difficult in the 1990's it was met with great success. That was reversed in 2012. Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, I have it but it seems you don't. The 'moderate' Muslims are irrelevant because they have made themselves irrelevant. They are not worth mentioning, just as those non-Nazi Germans, or Non-Communist Russians, don't matter either. We don't bother mentioning that not all Germans were Nazis or not all Russians were Communist, nor should there be any reason to say that not all Muslims are terrorists. We know that anyway, as the link said.
    I am not sure I can totally agree with the homily that the members of a social or sociopolitical group are not responsible for the actions of the group. It can't be that it my group, when all is splendid but them, when it is nasty.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am not sure I can totally agree with the homily that the members of a social or sociopolitical group are not responsible for the actions of the group. It can't be that it my group, when all is splendid but them, when it is nasty.
    "Moderate' Muslims can be as intimidated by the radicals just as much of the western media is, and the politically correct. No doubt 'moderate' Germans were intimidated by the Nazis and 'moderate ' Russians intimidated by the Communists. As we have seen throughout the Middle East and elsewhere, 'moderate Muslims are being murdered more frequently than anyone else, at least until the war on Christians began in earnest..

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Sounds like you chose your career path poorly. You going to stay mad and continue to take money from others (your precious healthcare subsidy you brag about as if its cool) or go another way and earn what you are worth?
    then make all jobs in USA apprenticeships. All your "schools" are a fraud, as are most of your permatemp "jobs".

    Like the Polaris factory I read about today. They make Vistory and Indian bikes.

    No AC in the factory in IA. WOW talk about bad working conditions...............

    All jobs are permatemp jobs. Via the (empty shell corp so no workers comp or lawsuits of any kind) temp agency. Get hurt, they throw you away.
    Complain about getting shorted pay, thrown away.......1870 all over again. HEY why not bring back CHILD LABOR! I mean if your going to
    have slavery again, go for the GUSTO!!! LMAO Those worthless (as you say) children of the poor dont need "education" or to learn to read anyway right?
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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Last offer for my skills, degree and 10 years min of experience was $12hr as a IC?

    Why get your "skills" when it pays LESS THAN MIN wage?

    The rest is just a poster for revolution.
    What is IC?

    Apparently then, you need to acquire new skills that there is a market for.

    You still have opportunity. Tell us what opportunities those children being behead for their religion (actually their parents most likely) have? Are you seriously telling us that your economic problems are anywhere near on par with children being beheaded?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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