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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Not sure. Using your data, it appears that in the 10 years prior, 1991 to 2001, the population grew from 18,561,000 to 23, 584,000. An increase of 27%. And from 2001 to 2011 the population grew from 23,584,000 to 32,540,000, and increase of 38%. 38% is 40% higher than 27%. Seems like a healthy improvement.

    Thanks for verifying that part of my point. But my main point is that the media lied and talked about how millions fled Iraq during the war and Lancet published studies Oct, 2004 and Oct 2006 (Oddly timed to shortly before US elections and widely reported in the media) about 100,000 Iraqis killed and 600,000 Iraqis killed, respectively. Yet when the war was over a more official report is that 103,000 Iraqis were killed total and most of those in the civil war that allied forces were trying to limit.


    How does a country's growth rate increase 40% over the previous war when a war is going on?
    it is somewhat counter intuitive that the population would actually grow during a war, let alone grow faster than it did before the war started. I believe that must be faster growth than we were experiencing in the USA during that time.
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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.

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    Re: Legitimate government powers

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    "general Welfare of the United States;"
    If this was true then why did't the framers simply say the Congress can do whatever it wants?

    The general welfare is encompassed in the enumerated powers. Would you consider, for the sake of liberty and freedom, reading the Federalist, and Anti-Federalist papers? I believe it would help you to see how much danger your ignorance has put you in. You are smart enough to profit from it. Should you have children they will have a reason to thank you.

    Same reason we have the CDC, and fund medical research.
    Do you believe it is the federal government's role to execute every idea? The CDC is a reasonable defensive response to a defensive problem.

    Same reason we NO LONGER have extortionist criminal firemen. (watch " gangs of NY" for a example)
    Do you believe that firemen are a part of the federal government?

    if the rich are to live, Obamacare needs to stay.
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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Our problem was not ousting the Taliban. our problem (which Bush and Obama are both responsible for) is that we have done a pisspoor job of post war ops. That starts in our congress and with the incessant game of politics people have engaged in since immediately after the war ended.
    This is an interesting observation.

    Whose role should it be to determine the post conflict strategy? In the past the state department had the responsibility. Should it be the department of defense?

    I have never trusted the state department to act on the nation's behalf. Now I place the Executive branch, less DoD in the same category.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.
    That's racist.
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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    He took credit for making the decision to pull the final troops out during his campaign - when he could have negotiated for them to stay as the Bush admin was going to do. The decision to pull the troops out was clearly his. He doesn't have a clue about how the world works. He should go back to organizing bake sales.

    As opposed to a person who planned to invade another country, completely dismantle the entirety of its state infrastructure, rebuild that state entirely.... all in an effort to reshape the world in America's image to create the new American century? It is one of the most insane and naive endeavors ever undertaken and only people who have no idea of how the world works would have ever undertaken such an endeavor!! Obama is incompetent and is accountable for a lot, but this is Bush's mess NOT Obama's.

    Moving on to ISIS, or "The Islamic State" as these maniacs want to be called, the entire world should be worried about these fanatics. One of the people I went to grad school with is a Syrian journalist and knows more about them than the vast majority of people, and she says they scare her more than anyone she has ever come in contact with. He has been covering the Syrian civil war from the beginning, so she has seen a lot of scary people.

    While I was working in Palestine, a Palestinian student told me that ISIS made him, for the first time in his life, be thankful for occupation, because he knew ISIS would never come there. If that doesn't tell you what sorts of monsters you are dealing with, I don't know what will.

    Lastly, this is not like the technocratic Muslim Brotherhood, whose members tended to be Middle Class and invested in the status quo. They were a fake boogeyman, distorted by right wing war mongers and bigots to promote their sick agenda. ISIS is a real boogeyman, they are made up of radicals and they are a danger to not only Iraq, but everyone around them. I have opposed essentially every American intervention in the Middle East. However, something has to be done about these fanatics, or real humanitarian crisis could be on the horizon.
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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.
    Americans have long suffered for this, but clearly many are dying round the world for the mistake of electing this president.

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    Re: Legitimate government powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If this was true then why did't the framers simply say the Congress can do whatever it wants?

    The general welfare is encompassed in the enumerated powers. Would you consider, for the sake of liberty and freedom, reading the Federalist, and Anti-Federalist papers? I believe it would help you to see how much danger your ignorance has put you in. You are smart enough to profit from it. Should you have children they will have a reason to thank you.


    Do you believe it is the federal government's role to execute every idea? The CDC is a reasonable defensive response to a defensive problem.


    Do you believe that firemen are a part of the federal government?


    The rich will be fine. Consider the nation. Consider the citizens. If Obamacare stands we will no longer be a free people in just a few short years.
    To her the constitution is an obstacle. Irrelevant and created by corrupt and evil men. Therefore the constitution does NOT mean what it says, it means what it OUGHT to mean.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    As opposed to a person who planned to invade another country, completely dismantle the entirety of its state infrastructure, rebuild that state entirely.... all in an effort to reshape the world in America's image to create the new American century? It is one of the most insane and naive endeavors ever undertaken and only people who have no idea of how the world works would have ever undertaken such an endeavor!! Obama is incompetent and is accountable for a lot, but this is Bush's mess NOT Obama's.

    Moving on to ISIS, or "The Islamic State" as these maniacs want to be called, the entire world should be worried about these fanatics. One of the people I went to grad school with is a Syrian journalist and knows more about them than the vast majority of people, and she says they scare her more than anyone she has ever come in contact with. He has been covering the Syrian civil war from the beginning, so she has seen a lot of scary people.

    While I was working in Palestine, a Palestinian student told me that ISIS made him, for the first time in his life, be thankful for occupation, because he knew ISIS would never come there. If that doesn't tell you what sorts of monsters you are dealing with, I don't know what will.

    Lastly, this is not like the technocratic Muslim Brotherhood, whose members tended to be Middle Class and invested in the status quo. They were a fake boogeyman, distorted by right wing war mongers and bigots to promote their sick agenda. ISIS is a real boogeyman, they are made up of radicals and they are a danger to not only Iraq, but everyone around them. I have opposed essentially every American intervention in the Middle East. However, something has to be done about these fanatics, or real humanitarian crisis could be on the horizon.
    Its apparent to me that Islamism in general and ISIS in particular may be the biggest threat to world peace and freedom since the Soviet Union/Nazi's.

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    Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    In the 2012 presidential election, one candidate got it 100% correct and the other got it 100% wrong. Its too bad we elected the dumb one.
    They were both worthless idiots.

    W/the completely one-sided media coverage of ISIS as of yet, one wonders how much CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc. are in Tillerson's pocket.

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