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Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

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Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder | ThinkProgress

The Detroit-area homeowner who shot in the head 19-year-old Renisha McBride was found guilty of murder Thursday afternoon. The jury found him guilty on all three charges — second-degree murder, manslaughter, and felony firearm — on its second day of deliberations.

.....Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

During the trial, prosecutors probed Wafer’s inconsistent testimony on whether he intended to fire, and questioned why, if he was shooting in fear for his life, he put his gun down by the front door. They also called upon jurors in closing arguments to consider why he didn’t make a more vigorous effort to call the police before turning to his gun, rather than making himself “judge, jury, and executioner.”


I think this is justice served.
 
Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder | ThinkProgress

The Detroit-area homeowner who shot in the head 19-year-old Renisha McBride was found guilty of murder Thursday afternoon. The jury found him guilty on all three charges — second-degree murder, manslaughter, and felony firearm — on its second day of deliberations.

.....Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

During the trial, prosecutors probed Wafer’s inconsistent testimony on whether he intended to fire, and questioned why, if he was shooting in fear for his life, he put his gun down by the front door. They also called upon jurors in closing arguments to consider why he didn’t make a more vigorous effort to call the police before turning to his gun, rather than making himself “judge, jury, and executioner.”


I think this is justice served.



I agree-I said it was a bogus shoot from the start.
 
From all I read about this, it sounds like the jury got this one right.
 
So sad that this 19 year old won't get to live her life. That is the responsibility of every gun owner to know that they hold the power to end someone's life. It's a shame that this poor girl doesn't get to live because this awful man choose to not remember that responsibility.
 
So sad that this 19 year old won't get to live her life. That is the responsibility of every gun owner to know that they hold the power to end someone's life. It's a shame that this poor girl doesn't get to live because this awful man choose to not remember that responsibility.

I felt the same way. No glee that he will suffer in prison (and no doubt he will) just so sad for this young girl and everyone who loved her. We can only hope that the next time some who is armed finds themselves in a similar situation, this outcome makes them stop and think.
 
I felt the same way. No glee that he will suffer in prison (and no doubt he will) just so sad for this young girl and everyone who loved her. We can only hope that the next time some who is armed finds themselves in a similar situation, this outcome makes them stop and think.

People too often talk about the right to bear arms without mentioning the responsibilities one has when they do.
 
People too often talk about the right to bear arms without mentioning the responsibilities one has when they do.

That is not really true. but most gun owners are too busy dealing with the idiots who claim we should not be able to own weapons. given how few legal gun owners misuse their arms, I think your fears are misplaced.
 
That is not really true. but most gun owners are too busy dealing with the idiots who claim we should not be able to own weapons. given how few legal gun owners misuse their arms, I think your fears are misplaced.

The problem here TD is the outcome. We're talking about lives here not inconveniences
 
So sad that this 19 year old won't get to live her life. That is the responsibility of every gun owner to know that they hold the power to end someone's life. It's a shame that this poor girl doesn't get to live because this awful man choose to not remember that responsibility.

You need to go give some speeches in Chicago. Maybe there won't be so many murders there each year. This guy got what he deserved and so should all the other killers of innocent people.
 
People too often talk about the right to bear arms without mentioning the responsibilities one has when they do.

Its not talked about because the vast majority gun owners don't distinguish between the two. Most rights come with responsibilities.
 
Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder | ThinkProgress

The Detroit-area homeowner who shot in the head 19-year-old Renisha McBride was found guilty of murder Thursday afternoon. The jury found him guilty on all three charges — second-degree murder, manslaughter, and felony firearm — on its second day of deliberations.

.....Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

During the trial, prosecutors probed Wafer’s inconsistent testimony on whether he intended to fire, and questioned why, if he was shooting in fear for his life, he put his gun down by the front door. They also called upon jurors in closing arguments to consider why he didn’t make a more vigorous effort to call the police before turning to his gun, rather than making himself “judge, jury, and executioner.”


I think this is justice served.

This should be a message to all those rabid defenders of Castle Laws that they do NOT give someone a license to kill. One must be able to prove that one believed his life was in danger. His actions apparently proved to the satisfaction of the jury that was not the case.
 
People too often talk about the right to bear arms without mentioning the responsibilities one has when they do.

The guy was convicted of MURDER and when a person wants to kill, that person damn sure doesn't need a gun. A simple kitchen knife will do.

Everyone has kitchen knives and they kill people. When in your home with your kitchen knives you have a responsibility to use them correctly, except when you want to use them to KILL, then you could care less about responsibility.

Does OJ come to mind
 
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The guy was convicted of MURDER and when a person wants to kill, that person damn sure doesn't need a gun. A simple kitchen knife will do.

Everyone has kitchen knives and they kill people. When in your home with your kitchen knives you have a responsibility to use them correctly, except when you want to use them to KILL, then you could care less about responsibility.

Does OJ come to mind

This is true, but the extra lethality of a firearm requires extra care. It is far easier to kill someone with a gun, and therefore far easier to accidentally kill someone with a gun. Or to kill someone you shouldn't have.

To use the absurd extrapolation, a nuclear weapon requires enormous care and extreme circumstances to justify its use because it is so devastating. More power, more responsibility. Spider-Man agrees. And he wouldn't lie to you, he's friendly.
 
This is true, but the extra lethality of a firearm requires extra care. It is far easier to kill someone with a gun, and therefore far easier to accidentally kill someone with a gun. Or to kill someone you shouldn't have.

To use the absurd extrapolation, a nuclear weapon requires enormous care and extreme circumstances to justify its use because it is so devastating. More power, more responsibility. Spider-Man agrees. And he wouldn't lie to you, he's friendly.

A firearm is not more lethal than a knife, they both KILL. In this case which is what we're talking about the guy was convicted of Murder, no different than when a person is convicted of murder using a knife. OJ used a knife and killed as easily as shooting them or clubbing them with a tire iron.

The OP is not about safety, if you want safety with a gun, have trigger locks and keep them out of the reach of children etc, but that is really no different than not letting a baby play with a butcher knife or a pocket knife.
 
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The guy was convicted of MURDER and when a person wants to kill, that person damn sure doesn't need a gun. A simple kitchen knife will do.

Everyone has kitchen knives and they kill people. When in your home with your kitchen knives you have a responsibility to use them correctly, except when you want to use them to KILL, then you could care less about responsibility.

Does OJ come to mind

I don't think you can kill someone with a knife through a screen door.
 
This should be a message to all those rabid defenders of Castle Laws that they do NOT give someone a license to kill. One must be able to prove that one believed his life was in danger. His actions apparently proved to the satisfaction of the jury that was not the case.

I was relieved to see this outcome. I feel oddly sad for this poor schmo. He's in for some real misery.
 
The problem here TD is the outcome. We're talking about lives here not inconveniences

people who don't worry about spending decades in prison are going to be deterred how? guns have increased dramatically in reaction to the Clinton/Obama Jihad against gun rights and yet accidental shootings have gone way down
 
Who shoots through a door besides Marlon Brando or Clint Eastwood.

He received justice. Probably shouldn't have been a gun owner in the first place.
 
Who shoots through a door besides Marlon Brando or Clint Eastwood.

He received justice. Probably shouldn't have been a gun owner in the first place.

Perhaps, but we have seen plenty of your posts that suggest that no one should be a gun owner in the first place so that claim doesn't do much to advance a legitimate argument
 
I don't think you can kill someone with a knife through a screen door.

Duh, just open it or better yet just thrust the knife through the screen right into the person eyeball penetrating the brain.
 
Perhaps, but we have seen plenty of your posts that suggest that no one should be a gun owner in the first place so that claim doesn't do much to advance a legitimate argument

I've seen some of your appalling and illogical posts too.

This girl should never have knocked on this guy's door, she shoulda stopped a passing motorist and asked for help. But, she was young and didn't know the potential hazard of knocking on people's doors after dark. She did what most people would not do, go to someone's door for help. She paid the ultimate price, her life, at the hands of someone who probably shouldn't have owned a gun in the first place. His SYG defense didn't work. Too bad they didn't ask for the death penalty for him.
 
The guy was convicted of MURDER and when a person wants to kill, that person damn sure doesn't need a gun. A simple kitchen knife will do.

Everyone has kitchen knives and they kill people. When in your home with your kitchen knives you have a responsibility to use them correctly, except when you want to use them to KILL, then you could care less about responsibility.

Does OJ come to mind
OJ Simpson killed? I thought he was acquitted?

Did he stab someone from behind a screen door? I don't recall seeing that during the testimony given, and I watched it every day on Court TV.

Of course, I'm waiting for the pro gun people to come out and say that if she would have had a gun, she could have defended herself.
 
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