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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Criminal or not, there is Legality in everything we do. I understand a civil trial is not a criminal trial and no one goes to jail in a civil trial. Sorry but you made the point and stated, there is no Legality in a civil trial, and I will state again there is legality in everything we do. In a contract you are legally bound to perform in accordance with that contract. When a person does not perform in accordance with a contract it surly is the legality of that persons action by not performing in accordance with the contract. Why because they are legally bound to perform.

    Your quote:
    No it is not.
    Civil trials are not about the legality of actions. Criminal trials are.
    Holy ****. So you are saying that you do not understand that the legality that was being spoken about was criminal?
    That is an absurd position given what was being originally replied to.
    Civil trials are not about guilt, but responsibility as determined by a preponderance of the evidence.
    SO stop with your nonsense.
    OJ being found responsible, has nothing to do with actual guilt.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    That is flatly false. There are civil trials and juries as well as criminal ones. And people can and do act illegally all the time, in all sorts of ways, without violating criminal laws. When they do, they suffer the consequences, often, but not always, in the form of money damages.
    Which is no the same a criminal guilt.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Holy ****. So you are saying that you do not understand that the legality that was being spoken about was criminal?
    That is an absurd position given what was being originally replied to.
    Civil trials are not about guilt, but responsibility as determined by a preponderance of the evidence.
    SO stop with your nonsense.
    OJ being found responsible, has nothing to do with actual guilt.
    We're talking "Legality" = law, christ your hammering on criminal, but you said there is NO Legality in a civil trail. Of course there is, legality of a contract. We have laws that dictate the legality. I was always and still am responding to your statement that there is NO Legality in a civil trial and you're dead wrong. You are telling me there is no legality in a contract.

    The guilt etc is not at issue, what is at issue is your statement that there is no legality in a civil trial.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    We're talking "Legality" = law, christ your hammering on criminal, but you said there is NO Legality in a civil trail. Of course there is, legality of a contract. We have laws that dictate the legality. I was always and still am responding to your statement that there is NO Legality in a civil trial and you're dead wrong. You are telling me there is no legality in a contract.

    The guilt etc is not at issue, what is at issue is your statement that there is no legality in a civil trial.
    Holy ****. Nothing you replied with addresses what was said.
    So again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Holy ****. So you are saying that you do not understand that the legality that was being spoken about was criminal?
    That is an absurd position given what was being originally replied to.
    Civil trials are not about guilt, but responsibility as determined by a preponderance of the evidence.
    SO stop with your nonsense.
    OJ being found responsible, has nothing to do with actual guilt.

    All you are doing is admitting to the underlined.

    Yes I said legality and we were speaking to the criminal aspect of it, which is why the criminal aspect is being hammered. Civil trials have nothing to do with assessing criminal guilt.
    You are harping on what was not said. It was clear from the start that what was being said was in comparison to criminal guilt.
    Which a civil trial can not assess.


    So again. Stop with the nonsense.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So again. Stop with the nonsense.
    Spare me. You are incapable of objectively discussing anything having to do with Z-man, "Boom box" Dunn, or Theodore "Door knock terminator" Wafer etc.

    Tell me, is there any shooting where the killer claime self defense that you reject?

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Spare me. You are incapable of objectively discussing anything having to do with Z-man, "Boom box" Dunn, or Theodore "Door knock terminator" Wafer etc.
    Holy ****. No it is you who has demonstrated that. All you are doing is displaying your irrational angst.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Tell me, is there any shooting where the killer claime self defense that you reject?
    This statement of yours is just another example of you engaging in the irrational behavior you suggest above.

    And not that you irrationally bringing up irrelevant topics into this thread is in any way meaningful, but please do tell ...
    What was it you do not understand about Wafer being guilty of manslaughter as I said?
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder | ThinkProgress

    The Detroit-area homeowner who shot in the head 19-year-old Renisha McBride was found guilty of murder Thursday afternoon. The jury found him guilty on all three charges — second-degree murder, manslaughter, and felony firearm — on its second day of deliberations.

    .....Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

    During the trial, prosecutors probed Wafer’s inconsistent testimony on whether he intended to fire, and questioned why, if he was shooting in fear for his life, he put his gun down by the front door. They also called upon jurors in closing arguments to consider why he didn’t make a more vigorous effort to call the police before turning to his gun, rather than making himself “judge, jury, and executioner.”


    I think this is justice served.
    Yep the vast majority of people called these one a long times ago when it first happened.
    Very easy case, not sure if there was any NEW stuff during the trial but everything that cam out before hand pointed to a bad shoot, negligence and types of charges definitely being filed and him being found guilty.

    There was nothing support self defense in the case.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    but please do tell ...
    What was it you do not understand about Wafer being guilty of manslaughter as I said?
    What post number is it in the thread?

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    What post number is it in the thread?
    This thread?
    What does this thread have to do with it?

    My position, as well as those other topics you brought up, are all other threads.
    So how about telling everyone how you came to such conclusions by the information in this thread?
    Or how about you admit that this thread is irrelevant to what I am on the record saying?
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot And Killed A Girl On His Porch Found Guilty Of Murder[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Holy ****. Nothing you replied with addresses what was said.
    So again.

    All you are doing is admitting to the underlined.

    Yes I said legality and we were speaking to the criminal aspect of it, which is why the criminal aspect is being hammered. Civil trials have nothing to do with assessing criminal guilt.
    You are harping on what was not said. It was clear from the start that what was being said was in comparison to criminal guilt.
    Which a civil trial can not assess.


    So again. Stop with the nonsense.
    We are not talking about guilt, we are talking about Legality and you state there is no Legality in a civil trial and your dead wrong. It's clear "legality" only means to you "guilt"

    Definition of Legality, notice it does not differentiate between criminal or civil. If I have a contract to perform services I am bound by law to perform those services.

    noun: legality

    The quality or state of being in accordance with the law.

    Obligations imposed by law.
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