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    Re: What Congress Edited on Wikipedia Today: Snowden, Manning, Cato, More

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The one does not exclude being the other. But he must go to jail. He did huge damage to the US internationally that was unnecessary to achieve domestic results.
    How else was it going to happen? Please don't tell me you're one of those people who actually believes the government was going to get to it on their own.
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    Re: What Congress Edited on Wikipedia Today: Snowden, Manning, Cato, More

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The one does not exclude being the other. But he must go to jail. He did huge damage to the US internationally that was unnecessary to achieve domestic results.
    You and I disagree on this profoundly and I am going to leave it at that as if we continued it would derail the thread. We can pick it up at another time in a thread about Snowden specifically.
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    Re: What Congress Edited on Wikipedia Today: Snowden, Manning, Cato, More

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How else was it going to happen? Please don't tell me you're one of those people who actually believes the government was going to get to it on their own.
    Well, to start with, he could have published email relating to domestic data mining. Instead he indiscriminately spread out international information.
    So, you see it was possible to blow a whistle effectively without causing the all the damage to us. And the damage is very real and is and will continue to cause the country problems and create high costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The one does not exclude being the other. But he must go to jail. He did huge damage to the US internationally that was unnecessary to achieve domestic results.
    He embarrassed the US, revealed information that is damaging to government credibility. This is what we need to see more of, and in this fashion perhaps we can improve accountability.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What Congress Edited on Wikipedia Today: Snowden, Manning, Cato, More

    Anyway, the op title is deceptive then for it isn't congress that's editing Wiki.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What Congress Edited on Wikipedia Today: Snowden, Manning, Cato, More

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He embarrassed the US, revealed information that is damaging to government credibility. This is what we need to see more of, and in this fashion perhaps we can improve accountability.
    No. The information was damaging to the US community as a whole. That you think that is good does not surprise me much. So for you it was good he did not refrain from doing the harm and chose a path that would have domestically achieved the same without harmful treason.

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    Notices received from search engines - Wikimedia Foundation

    No. It is the EU that is censoring Wikipedia and Google.

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    Re: What Congress Edited on Wikipedia Today: Snowden, Manning, Cato, More

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    No. The information was damaging to the US community as a whole. That you think that is good does not surprise me much. So for you it was good he did not refrain from doing the harm and chose a path that would have domestically achieved the same without harmful treason.
    One of my big criticisms of Obama is that he campaigned on reinforcing whistleblower protections and in fact he has prosecuted more than all his predecessors, its rather funny you think he could have come forward and been treated with the respect someone should be treated with when they expose government WRONGDOING. What, pray tell, harm has he done to the US community as a whole, I'm part of that community, and know plenty others, some here at DP that don't feel harmed by his disclosures at all, but rather feel we have been informed of further ways that this (and the last) administration have overstepped constitutional authority.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    (1) One of my big criticisms of Obama is that he campaigned on reinforcing whistleblower protections and in fact he has prosecuted more than all his predecessors, its rather funny you think he could have come forward and been treated with the respect someone should be treated with when they expose government WRONGDOING.
    (2) What, pray tell, harm has he done to the US community as a whole, I'm part of that community, and know plenty others, some here at DP that don't feel harmed by his disclosures at all, but rather feel we have been informed of further ways that this (and the last) administration have overstepped constitutional authority.
    (1) It was naiv to vote Obama into office on the promises he was making. They looked suspiciously uninformed at the time, which only seemed to underline his lack of experience.
    (2) Just because you do not know how foreign policy on the ground works, what it means, when popuplations of allies are riled, because their politicians had not informed them of what they were doing and had allowed the US to do and how the revelations have changed power balances does not mean that it does not affect you. But that is a rather large debate and I do not think this is the thread for it.

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