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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    A patient ALWAYS has the right to refuse care
    Simply incorrect.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well Dr. Summerwind (I assume it is Dr. Summerwind..), as you know when the insurers have reduced the number of days of hospitalization they'll reimburse, they've done so based on the results of hundreds, perhaps thousands of cases involving that particular kind of surgery.
    Right because doctors overrule insurers, NOT! Get a clue. Secondly exactly what you finish with is exactly what I stated, people do not need the extended stays at hospitals that they WANT, hence insurers have dropped it dramatically for nearly every procedure.

    You have a strange way of agreeing with my point.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Right because doctors overrule insurers, NOT! Get a clue. Secondly exactly what you finish with is exactly what I stated, people do not need the extended stays at hospitals that they WANT, hence insurers have dropped it dramatically for nearly every procedure.

    You have a strange way of agreeing with my point.
    There is a working relationship between insurers and insurance. We know what the criteria are for coverage, and if something does not meet that criteria-clarification and talking with the company almost always gets approval. Its simply not an issue-the things you think are.

    What people WANT, if not backed by a medical rationale is not and should not be a criteria for coverage. I see this in entitled patients who want a vacation in the hospital. Its actually stunning.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    Simply incorrect.
    No, it is 100 percent correct. I had a medical ethics lecture this summer and that was a big thing we discussed.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    No, it is 100 percent correct. I had a medical ethics lecture this summer and that was a big thing we discussed.
    Thats nice in addition to being a medical lecturer, I have a medical license and practice medicine.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats nice in addition to being a medical lecturer, I have a medical license and practice medicine.
    Then you should know that a patient has every right to refuse care.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    Then you should know that a patient has every right to refuse care.
    As stated, that is simply incorrect. If you would like, I can elaborate and you might learn something. In the interim, ponder if you really can grasp medical ethics from an introductory powerpoint-which almost certainly (and apparently) did not touch on the actual issues.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    This is REALLY ****ed up and ethically wrong. A patient ALWAYS has the right to refuse care, which is essentially what this is. Also, as medical professionals they have a responsibility to help out and treat a pregnant woman during labor if she comes to their hospital. This whole situation is just plain weird.
    No one said she could not refuse care. The reason she lost her lawsuit is because she was trying to force the hospital to do it her way, and the hospital said they would not, she could go elsewhere to do it that way, which she did. To no one's great surprise, she ended up needing an emergency C section during the birth, but her and baby are fine. There is nothing wrong with a hospital stating they will not act in a way that is contrary to the recommendations of the relevant professional societies, and in this case they state that VBAC after more than 2 C Sections is contraindicated.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    Shes actually a spin doctor. Not the cool kind...
    If what I type feels like spin and makes you dizzy, you may need to have your ears checked for buildup, because you're clearly balance impaired.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    If what I type feels like spin and makes you dizzy, you may need to have your ears checked for buildup, because you're clearly balance impaired.
    Cerumen impaction is not my problem. You might have a different type of impaction.

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