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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    I see that some people here are trying to re-frame this as an abortion related issue. That does not seem to be the case

    At issue here is whether or not a provider can be compelled to provide care (they can) and under what circumstances.

    This is not a case of someone trying to force a provider to perform a service they are not prepared to perform, such as one they lack experience, training or equipment that is needed. This hospital has and does provide medical services for women who deliver babies "naturally". However, the details show that the woman had contraindications for a VBAC. So the issue here is "at what point are doctors allowed to refuse to perform a service and on what grounds are they allowed to do so?"
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No one said she should not be able to choose how she wanted it done. Some have stated it is also up to the hospital what procedures they perform, and can choose to refuse to perform what would be considered a risky procedure that is adviced against by the professional groups for that area of medicine. It is best to read the thread before saying something painfully silly and inaccurate...
    Some advocate for forcing the woman to have the surgery.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

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    Some advocate for forcing the woman to have the surgery.
    Who??
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hmmm...interesting. I had 3 C-sections (no vaginal deliveries), and after #1 a VBAC wasn't even a suggestion.

    I think they should let her try the VBAC if she's hell bent on it. They should make her sign a waiver that says she won't sue in the event her uterus bursts or the baby comes out with problems, etc.

    If I wanted to be a doctor, I would never consider being an OB/GYN. Too much risk, which is which is why last I heard they carried the 2nd highest malpractice insurance costs.
    Thats the problem and the reason most women who have one CS have the rest as a CS as well. There are problems with uterine rupture and atony, adhesions from prior procedures etc-and Obstetricians can and are STILL sued even after everything is explained and waivers are signed. This would be besides the fact that the child may have permanent brain damage etc.

    This woman probably read some crap online or saw Dr. Oz (I hate that guy-so many get bad ideas from him).

    I dont think there is a legal basis to force as CS and that should not occur, but this is an unwise choice on the mothers part when the health and safety of the child should be her concern.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Folks that want to stay in the hospital longer than needed just because they want to. I had a full hysterectomy at 9am one day and left at 9am the next. It's about the same if not more traumatic than a c-section. Nice try.
    Just a FYI - "I did it fine, and it turned out OK for me, so all others must be able to do the same thing with no problem" isn't actually a medically defensible position. It's why studies of anything have a sample size greater than one when at all possible.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Just a FYI - "I did it fine, and it turned out OK for me, so all others must be able to do the same thing with no problem" isn't actually a medically defensible position. It's why studies of anything have a sample size greater than one when at all possible.
    Tell that to the insurers who figured out that many just like being invalids for no reason and have capped how many days in a hospital a person is covered for. Most people seem to choose to stay way longer than needed given their condition, that's clear.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Tell that to the insurers who figured out that many just like being invalids for no reason and have capped how many days in a hospital a person is covered for. Most people seem to choose to stay way longer than needed given their condition, that's clear.
    Most people? What are you talking about based on what? Most women get 3 days after a vaginal birth and many want to leave at 2, just long enough to do follow up labs, breast feeding consults, etc. Most CS pts get up to 5 days and most leave within 4.

    If there is ANY medical reason to stay, or even just doubt or apprehension they will get approved for more time-we can write up documentation for that to happen. And if there is NOT a reason, but the woman wants to stay we need to find out whats going on-this isn't a hotel and just being in the hospital has its risks for both baby and mother.

    Believe it or not most women want to get back home and get on with life with the new arrival. And dads are probably the happiest to get out of the clinical environment (though they are my fav people to have breakfast with).

    You continue to make stunningly ignorant and wide sweeping comments (that in themselves identify you dont know the issues) and then you provide not a speck of evidence to back your assertions.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Tell that to the insurers who figured out that many just like being invalids for no reason and have capped how many days in a hospital a person is covered for. Most people seem to choose to stay way longer than needed given their condition, that's clear.
    Well Dr. Summerwind (I assume it is Dr. Summerwind..), as you know when the insurers have reduced the number of days of hospitalization they'll reimburse, they've done so based on the results of hundreds, perhaps thousands of cases involving that particular kind of surgery.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well Dr. Summerwind (I assume it is Dr. Summerwind..), as you know when the insurers have reduced the number of days of hospitalization they'll reimburse, they've done so based on the results of hundreds, perhaps thousands of cases involving that particular kind of surgery.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    This is REALLY ****ed up and ethically wrong. A patient ALWAYS has the right to refuse care, which is essentially what this is. Also, as medical professionals they have a responsibility to help out and treat a pregnant woman during labor if she comes to their hospital. This whole situation is just plain weird.
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