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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Here's the whole quote from the article:
    Ah. Gotcha. Thanks.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    What happen to a woman's right to choose? Where are all her advocates?
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Still don't get the court involvement here when she ended up going to a different hospital to get precisely what she wanted anyway.

    From the USA Today link:


    I hope she had to pay full court costs and damages for the hospital who had to represent itself in court for this specious motion.
    Seriously. I agree. Was this all about making some sort of point?

    "I welcomed my son into the world after laboring, consenting to surgery when it became apparent that it was necessary because labor was not progressing," Goodall said in a written statement posted to Facebook. "This was all I wanted to begin with. I am grateful to the medical staff at another hospital who assisted us in a safe and healthy delivery."

    All she wanted was a failed effort at vaginal delivery, unnecessary labor, and ultimately a c-section?

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    I am glad I am a man.

    No offense ladies.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Makes sense, but there's an important difference here

    She wasn't demanding that the hospital provide a service that was either not normally offered to its' patients or was not medically or ethically justifiable

    She was asking that they *not* perform an (allegedly) unnecessary and unwanted surgical procedure

    And though it's not clear, it appears that the hospital was going to call DCFS if she didn't have a c-section - even if she went to another doctor or hospital
    It's not clear because that's not what they said. What they SAID was that THEIR hospital wouldn't permit her to give natural childbirth; and if she was IN their hospital and refused a C-Section, they would report her.

    This is a ridiculous story. Don't even know why it made the news.

    She wants to try natural childbirth. It's the hospital's prerogative to find that risky in her circumstances and refuse her request. It shouldn't make the news . . . she should just find a hospital who will accommodate her -- if she can.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There's some else going on here that we're not party to. Why all the legal action when she can just switch hospitals in an instant? Heck, she can do home birth and hire a midwife. None of this makes sense, except well, it IS Florida.
    Most hospitals here have policies on this procedure. most will not do a vaginal birth if you have had a c-section. the reason is mostly the liability. during a csection the muscles that are used in a vagina birth are usually moved or cut. while they will repair they are simply not as strong as they use to be.

    if you finish reading the story she ran into complications had then had to have an emergancy csection which is even worse.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Interesting.

    Wow on that USA Today article. 6000 people are petitioning with her? I wonder how many of them are medical experts.
    0 emotional outrage is so much better.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Yea... I've heard bad things about Florida hospitals in general where this kind of thing is concerned.

    I was born in one back in 1988, and, between the blatant bullying by the doctor, the casually abusive staff, and the unnecessary surgical intervention, they messed my mother up pretty bad, from what she's told me.

    They apparently called CPS on a friend of hers while she was pregnant as well.
    My first was a bit of a frustration in that it was a catholic hospital, pretty much all that is around, and they took the baby and refused to bring it back, apparently a minor issue with the cord having been briefly around the neck. I stood up on the bed, blood still dripping, and demanded that my husband follow that baby and don't let it out of your sight. He did, thank goodness.

    After that, and remember I'd been in and out of surgeries much of my young life for a heart defect, I determined that I was both the OWNER OF MY BODY, and the EMPLOYER OF THE DOCTORS AND HOSPITAL STAFF INVOLVED IN ANY PROCEDURE, and never let a either usurp my choices again. Second baby was handled much better as my attitude didn't allow for the usual shennanigans, and my hysterectomy a few years after that was a pleasure.

    Never again will a doc or hospital overrule my decisions. They can convince me of their perspective, but that's the end of their power.
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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Most hospitals here have policies on this procedure. most will not do a vaginal birth if you have had a c-section. the reason is mostly the liability. during a csection the muscles that are used in a vagina birth are usually moved or cut. while they will repair they are simply not as strong as they use to be.

    if you finish reading the story she ran into complications had then had to have an emergancy csection which is even worse.
    Apparently she had no problem finding one that would allow her to give it a go. I finished the story, once it was posted, and that's why the original hospital should charge her for all their legal fees.

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    Re: Pregnant Women Warned: Consent to Surgical Birth or Else

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's not clear because that's not what they said. What they SAID was that THEIR hospital wouldn't permit her to give natural childbirth; and if she was IN their hospital and refused a C-Section, they would report her.

    This is a ridiculous story. Don't even know why it made the news.

    She wants to try natural childbirth. It's the hospital's prerogative to find that risky in her circumstances and refuse her request. It shouldn't make the news . . . she should just find a hospital who will accommodate her -- if she can.
    Yep, my first response would be to go to a different hospital or arrange for a midwife with hospital connection.
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