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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Science is the systematic search for truth using observations and experimentation, with that definition it most certainly can say something about the ETHICALITY (morals are from the individual, we need to focus on the society, stick with ethics which is morals but for a society in a short sense).

    Through observation and experimentation science can lead to the general view of abortion as to whether or not it may be ethical.

    People seem to confuse science with some sort of mystical back to the future lazer mad stuff, it's really just a search for the truth with empirical data, that truth is not limited to ANYTHING.

    That can assign some value to facts, although that is very subjective so you don't have to agree with anyone there but I think it can.
    Science does not assign moral value to facts. You do. Science can create an atomic bomb, for example. We decide whether its use is moral or not and under what circumstances.

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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Science does not assign moral value to facts. You do. Science can create an atomic bomb, for example. We decide whether its use is moral or not and under what circumstances.
    Actually, science is a method of discovery. generally, its engineers who create things out of the knowledge gained from science.

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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

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    Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws



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    The bold outlines the crux of the suit. Basically the satanic church sees it as an affront when court decisions are made by scientifically unfounded views, which happened by the SCOTUS decision. So their argument is if religion is so sacred that it can be held to a higher standard than actual reality (science), then they seek a ruling as their church believes that science is the supreme font of knowledge.

    Its an interesting twist on the SCOTUS decision and I am of two minds. While I would love for there to be fewer regulations that are only there to get around Roe versus Wade, which causes harm to women. I also think the SCOTUS ruling is dangerous at its core for our society and really, we shouldn't be using it to even further positive interests.

    On the other hand, between this and the Baphomet statue in Oklahoma, these guys are superb trolls and they are just plain fun to watch people use pro-religious laws for their full extent, hopefully to educate those people who can't understand the first amendment. Its amusing, but still, its sad that the recent SCOTUS decision is creating these kinds of situations and it would have been better if they had ruled another way.
    This has a similar strain of thought as the Satanic sculpture in Oklahoma City. IE Becareful what you wish for.
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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws



    Bold added by me

    The bold outlines the crux of the suit. Basically the satanic church sees it as an affront when court decisions are made by scientifically unfounded views, which happened by the SCOTUS decision. So their argument is if religion is so sacred that it can be held to a higher standard than actual reality (science), then they seek a ruling as their church believes that science is the supreme font of knowledge.

    Its an interesting twist on the SCOTUS decision and I am of two minds. While I would love for there to be fewer regulations that are only there to get around Roe versus Wade, which causes harm to women. I also think the SCOTUS ruling is dangerous at its core for our society and really, we shouldn't be using it to even further positive interests.

    On the other hand, between this and the Baphomet statue in Oklahoma, these guys are superb trolls and they are just plain fun to watch people use pro-religious laws for their full extent, hopefully to educate those people who can't understand the first amendment. Its amusing, but still, its sad that the recent SCOTUS decision is creating these kinds of situations and it would have been better if they had ruled another way.
    I wonder can this also be used by abortion providers in states where the "requirements" for the clinics have become ridiculous? I mean couldn't they say that their religious choices mean that they don't have to consider those regulations? Hobby Lobby decision opened a can of worms, I'm looking forward to Satanists and Pastafarians trying to bring this foolishness to light in many other ways.
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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I wonder can this also be used by abortion providers in states where the "requirements" for the clinics have become ridiculous? I mean couldn't they say that their religious choices mean that they don't have to consider those regulations? Hobby Lobby decision opened a can of worms, I'm looking forward to Satanists and Pastafarians trying to bring this foolishness to light in many other ways.
    Honestly I hope they do. The scotus ****ed up but there's no fixing that so use it for good where you can

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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Science does not assign moral value to facts. You do. Science can create an atomic bomb, for example. We decide whether its use is moral or not and under what circumstances.
    "morals" "we"

    Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

    People keep equivocating morals with ethics and it's starting to piss me off.

    Morals = individual

    Ethics = society

    Science can most certainly determine the perceived ethical view of a certain matter. CERTAINLY, nothing will ever determine morals except yourself.
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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    Bah, hobby lobby failing shouldn't mean much, smart companies will cover it anyway, last thing you want to do is potentially piss off half of your work force anyway...

    Religious "freedom" for this case
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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    To hell with these Satanists--let them go back to polishing the Devil's tail. According to the rule the Supreme Court reiterated in Hobby Lobby, a court could not inquire into whether their beliefs on this subject were plausible or reasonable. But the court could determine if these beliefs were sincere--whether they reflected an honest conviction. And the Satanists would have a devil of a time convincing an American court of that. God would never allow it.

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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    To hell with these Satanists--let them go back to polishing the Devil's tail. According to the rule the Supreme Court reiterated in Hobby Lobby, a court could not inquire into whether their beliefs on this subject were plausible or reasonable. But the court could determine if these beliefs were sincere--whether they reflected an honest conviction. And the Satanists would have a devil of a time convincing an American court of that. God would never allow it.
    The courts would have a real hard time with that. There are a number of ways the courts could rule against the Satanists in this, most simply in that the state does have a legitimate interest in regulating abortion and that the laws in place are the least obtrusive ways to achieve that interest, but arguing that the Satanists are insincere about something that fits in exactly with their belief system is probably not one of those ways.
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    Re: Satanists Cite Hobby Lobby In Campaign For Religious Exemption To Abortion Laws

    This has got to be the stupidist law suit ever.
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