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80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched [W:700]

Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Yeah, you and the Internet tough guy would take a beating, allow yourselves to be robbed and whimper in the corner instead of defending yourself and your property. That is ethical. My ass.

I bet you think T. Martin was a victim.

You are so full of ****. Who said I would "take a beating , and allow myself to be robbed" was not me. Who said anything about whimpering in the corner? Your statement is nothing but moronic justification for cowardly actions.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Yea, OK tough guy.

It does not take being a "tough guy" to know your limitations. Of course you wouldn't know anything about that.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

You are so full of ****. Who said I would "take a beating , and allow myself to be robbed" was not me. Who said anything about whimpering in the corner? Your statement is nothing but moronic justification for cowardly actions.

Its pretty much exactly what you said. See you when you are 80 and something tragic happens. Let see YOUR reactions and responses.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

So standing up to crime is "criminal" in your opinion. OK, that tells a lot.
LOL.
You're still incorrect.
As I have clearly and carefully pointed out already in this thread, standing up to crime need not involve becoming a criminal/murderer.

Do you really and truly really believe that the only two alternatives are become a murderer or be a helpless victim?
Iow, are you using a false dichotomy knowingly or out of ignorance?

Yeah, you and the Internet tough guy would take a beating, allow yourselves to be robbed and whimper in the corner instead of defending yourself and your property. That is ethical. My ass.
Not sure if you are intentionally ignoring things or if you really don't understand.
But bless your heart either way.

I would have shot both crooks inside of my house with the first two shots ans been done with it.
If you need to tell yourself that I would whimper in the corner, feel free. Tell yourself whatever you need to get you through your day.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

It does not take being a "tough guy" to know your limitations. Of course you wouldn't know anything about that.
If you don't know your limits, you never tried them. Get off your couch one day and see.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

You are so full of ****. Who said I would "take a beating , and allow myself to be robbed" was not me. Who said anything about whimpering in the corner? Your statement is nothing but moronic justification for cowardly actions.
Misterveritis seems to think that the only possible options are to whimper to yourself and shooting an unarmed fleeing women in the back.

It seems that he is missing some vital understandings of the situation and the possible responses.

Not sure that someone other than Misterveritis can correct that "issue".
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Its pretty much exactly what you said.

No. I said I would not shoot a fleeing person in the back.

See you when you are 80 and something tragic happens. Let see YOUR reactions and responses.

It would not be to shoot someone in the back who is fleeing no matter what age I am at. I am over 50, nothing has changed other than my physical ability is not what it used to be.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

If you don't know your limits, you never tried them. Get off your couch one day and see.

Look Mr. never did anything has the audacity to claim I don't know my limits? Again you have ESP? Tell me what I am thinking now? Tell me about my history in the Army or as an LEO. Obviously you know me well. :doh
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

LOL.
You're still incorrect.
As I have clearly and carefully pointed out already in this thread, standing up to crime need not involve becoming a criminal/murderer.

Do you really and truly really believe that the only two alternatives are become a murderer or be a helpless victim?
Iow, are you using a false dichotomy knowingly or out of ignorance?

Not sure if you are intentionally ignoring things or if you really don't understand.
But bless your heart either way.

I would have shot both crooks inside of my house with the first two shots ans been done with it.
If you need to tell yourself that I would whimper in the corner, feel free. Tell yourself whatever you need to get you through your day.

I kick in your door, grab your child when you look like you have a defensive weapon. I put a gun to her head. Tell you to start emptying your wallet, safe, and for kicks tell your pretty wife to undress. But in the mean time you see an opening, you have a weapon, a clear shot and the skills to take it.
Your kid drops to the ground like she should have been taught, and you what? Offer coffee and cookies? Or drop the scum wear he is standing.
Or do you say, "I don't want to be a murderer" so you tell momma to disrobe like he says and clean our your safe and lay it at his feet like a good little victim.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I kick in your door, grab your child when you look like you have a defensive weapon. I put a gun to her head. Tell you to start emptying your wallet, safe, and for kicks tell your pretty wife to undress. But in the mean time you see an opening, you have a weapon, a clear shot and the skills to take it.

That is a completely different situation. You are trying desperately to turn this into a revenge thing rather than a simple robbery and assault. Now you have included rape and a hostage among other things.

Your phony hypothetical is just a straw man.

Your kid drops to the ground like she should have been taught, and you what? Offer coffee and cookies? Or drop the scum wear he is standing.

Completely different situation again? He is not fleeing, he is not unarmed.

Or do you say, "I don't want to be a murderer" so you tell momma to disrobe like he says and clean our your safe and lay it at his feet like a good little victim.

:roll:
 
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Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Look Mr. never did anything has the audacity to claim I don't know my limits? Again you have ESP? Tell me what I am thinking now? Tell me about my history in the Army or as an LEO. Obviously you know me well. :doh

Clearly, as if it applies, your "army and LEO service are irrelevant here. So is mine. But that has no bearing on what you will do when you are 80 or even now after you just got beat down in your own home after being robbed.
Not but a year or so ago I lost a friend that complied with a home invasion robber, they executed him and shot his younger brother in the gut.
In front of his small children.
Rusty had guns, but thought just giving the criminals what they wanted and getting them out of there was enough. He died, his brother paid a price and his kids still have nightmares.
So tell me Mr let your ass get whipped and do nothing once the whipping stops. Did you call everyone that fought back a criminal or murderer? Or did you actually find the scum that does these things.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Clearly, as if it applies, your "army and LEO service are irrelevant here. So is mine. But that has no bearing on what you will do when you are 80 or even now after you just got beat down in your own home after being robbed.
Not but a year or so ago I lost a friend that complied with a home invasion robber, they executed him and shot his younger brother in the gut.
In front of his small children.
Rusty had guns, but thought just giving the criminals what they wanted and getting them out of there was enough. He died, his brother paid a price and his kids still have nightmares.
So tell me Mr let your ass get whipped and do nothing once the whipping stops. Did you call everyone that fought back a criminal or murderer? Or did you actually find the scum that does these things.

Please point out where anyone said "take a beating and do nothing" no one. He is a criminal for shooting an unarmed person in the back when they were running away. All the rest is just crap you are adding that had nothing to do with the original post.

That's OK, keep building that straw man.

I know exactly what I would do no matter what age I am at. My age does not change who I am. It is not an excuse to shoot unarmed fleeing people.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Clearly, as if it applies, your "army and LEO service are irrelevant here. So is mine. But that has no bearing on what you will do when you are 80 or even now after you just got beat down in your own home after being robbed.
Not but a year or so ago I lost a friend that complied with a home invasion robber, they executed him and shot his younger brother in the gut.
In front of his small children.
Rusty had guns, but thought just giving the criminals what they wanted and getting them out of there was enough. He died, his brother paid a price and his kids still have nightmares.
So tell me Mr let your ass get whipped and do nothing once the whipping stops. Did you call everyone that fought back a criminal or murderer? Or did you actually find the scum that does these things.

You still are not understanding the difference between shooting people IN YOUR HOUSE (which is all the situations you have thus provided) and waiting until they go down the alley to shoot them in the back (which is ACTUALLY what happened in this situation). You're comparing apples and oranges.

While I personally would not have shot the women in my house, had the old guy done that and been done he would have been justified. Waiting until they fled to shoot them in the back in an alley, that is second-degree murder right there.

The ONLY things that might save this guy is a temporary insanity plea due to his age and that he was struck in the head.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

You still are not understanding the difference between shooting people IN YOUR HOUSE (which is all the situations you have thus provided) and waiting until they go down the alley to shoot them in the back (which is ACTUALLY what happened in this situation). You're comparing apples and oranges.

While I personally would not have shot the women in my house, had the old guy done that and been done he would have been justified. Waiting until they fled to shoot them in the back in an alley, that is second-degree murder right there.

The ONLY things that might save this guy is a temporary insanity plea due to his age and that he was struck in the head.

Very well said.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Please point out where anyone said "take a beating and do nothing" no one. He is a criminal for shooting an unarmed person in the back when they were running away. All the rest is just crap you are adding that had nothing to do with the original post.

That's OK, keep building that straw man.

I know exactly what I would do no matter what age I am at. My age does not change who I am. It is not an excuse to shoot unarmed fleeing people.
You started the straw man when you said you would not do anything once they left your home.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Very well said.
Well, I for one am glad you two are in agreement. Also glad as "LEO" you expect people just lay there and do nothing whilst getting beaten and don't dare pursue their attackers.
Let the cops handle it, when they get there if they get there.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

You started the straw man when you said you would not do anything once they left your home.

Please point out where I said "I would not do anything once they left?" I said I would not shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. Not a straw man.

You might want to look up what a straw man is.

Keep imagining things that are not there. It adds to the credibility of your statements.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Well, I for one am glad you two are in agreement. Also glad as "LEO" you expect people just lay there and do nothing whilst getting beaten and don't dare pursue their attackers.

More exaggeration... No one said just lay there and do nothing while getting beaten, no one said anything even close. No you don't pursue an attacker when they are UNARMED AND RUNNING AWAY. That is just common sense.

Let the cops handle it, when they get there if they get there.

It's their job, let them do it. You are not judge, jury and executioner.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Watch the video. Of course you are never known for honesty so I don't expect it here now.
You watch the video. That is why it was provided.
He clearly does not say what he did was to send a message.

So the only thing we have here is your dishonesty, in what you are asserting and your false claim of me.

So try telling the truth this time around.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Well, I for one am glad you two are in agreement. Also glad as "LEO" you expect people just lay there and do nothing whilst getting beaten and don't dare pursue their attackers.
Let the cops handle it, when they get there if they get there.

Nice strawman and of course you cannot point to where any of us said that. Please show us the quote where we said "Do not pursue the attackers". Go ahead. Your comments have already been shown to be dishonest numerous times and this is just another example.

See you see only TWO choices. Lay there or shoot them in the back, when in fact there are MANY choices in between. Sad really that you only live in a world of a victim or criminal. Guess you will be in jail before to long where you belong.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

You watch the video. That is why it was provided.
He clearly does not say what he did was to send a message.

Yes he did. You just have to understand the English language. You are trying to play a semantics game to justify his shooting of an unarmed person fleeing, in the back.

So the only thing we have here is your dishonesty, in what you are asserting and your false claim of me.

So try telling the truth this time around.

Nope I stand by my statements as true and honest.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Please point out where I said "I would not do anything once they left?" I said I would not shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. Not a straw man.

You might want to look up what a straw man is.

Keep imagining things that are not there. It adds to the credibility of your statements.
Oh, yea. I am sure you would dial 911 and wait like a good little victim.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Nice strawman and of course you cannot point to where any of us said that. Please show us the quote where we said "Do not pursue the attackers". Go ahead. Your comments have already been shown to be dishonest numerous times and this is just another example.

See you see only TWO choices. Lay there or shoot them in the back, when in fact there are MANY choices in between. Sad really that you only live in a world of a victim or criminal. Guess you will be in jail before to long where you belong.
Anything short of doing what he did, was doing nothing. The cops were not going to stop whatever they were doing, they were not going to put out an all out manhunt. They are there to show up after the fact and write a report. Period.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

Oh, yea. I am sure you would dial 911 and wait like a good little victim.

Yes because running after an unarmed woman and shooting her in the back is the right thing to do. :roll:

Since you obviously have no argument and the statements you did make are nothing but lowbrow lacking in intellect straw man arguments... I guess we are done here.
 
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