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80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched [W:700]

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And Zimmerman walked off into the sunset, cleared of the false charges.






iLOL
:lamo




Zimmerman's name keeps popping up in he news, and it's never about anything that makes him look good.

Believe what you want to believe.

It won't change Zimmerman's life, that man has a problem.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Zimmerman's name keeps popping up in he news, and it's never about anything that makes him look good.
Besides his helping motorists, :doh bad news is what sells.


Believe what you want to believe.
Likewise.


It won't change Zimmerman's life, that man has a problem.
Being falsely charged and having to defend himself again would cause problems in a persons life, and likely compound any he already had.
Besides that, he seems to be doing fine at the moment.
Hopefully he doesn't have to suffer anymore for Trayvon attacking him.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Besides his helping motorists, :doh bad news is what sells.


Likewise.


Being falsely charged and having to defend himself again would cause problems in a persons life, and likely compound any he already had.
Besides that, he seems to be doing fine at the moment.
Hopefully he doesn't have to suffer anymore for Trayvon attacking him.




Personally, I have better things to do in my life than wish a bad future on losers but I noticed a long time ago that "what goes around, comes around."

Mr. Zimmerman will never escape his future.

What he did to a young Black man will follow him for the rest of his life.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Personally, I have better things to do in my life than wish a bad future on losers but I noticed a long time ago that "what goes around, comes around."

Mr. Zimmerman will never escape his future.

What he did to a young Black man will follow him for the rest of his life.
A badge of honor every gun owner should hope to atain: removing a piece of **** gang-banger from the earth.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Personally, I have better things to do in my life than wish a bad future on losers
Apparently not.

Mr. Zimmerman will never escape his future.
:doh
That is kind of an odd thing to say, as no one ever escapes their future.


What he did to a young Black man will follow him for the rest of his life.
What he did? Oh, you mean him legally acting in self defense against an attacker. I doubt that's what bothers him.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

This squabbling about commas is really meaningless unless some people have ultra hearing and can hear commas.

I have already posted that she wasn't contributing anything to society and if he did not produce the gun he would have gotten a worst beating.


But you still have to follow the law no matter how much you disagree with it. He shot her twice in the back as she was running from him down an alley. When they took off running away down the alley he is no longer in danger of losing his life.
Actually the first bullet in her back was sufficient,

I actually can feel his anger and at 80 yrs old what do you have to lose. He may have even saved another senior from being robbed by her.

The two bullets in her back running from him is the nail in his legal coffin.

He is no longer in IMMEDIATE danger of losing his life. Nothing says they wouldn't come back to finish the job.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I don't know whether this is true, but the man said this couple had robbed him before.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I don't know whether this is true, but the man said this couple had robbed him before.

From the CNN report, the man had been robbed three times prior to this incident.

There was no mention they had robbed him before, but they did mention his fear was they'd just come back again if he didn't fight back.
They also mentioned this specific couple had a history of robbery.

At this point in time, I hope they don't charge the man with any crime at all.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

The shooter is apparently black (well, at least he was speaking in idiomatic english assosciated with blacks).

She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead … (The man) had run off and left her.”

As such, I doubt this case of armed idiocy goes any where on CNN and I doubt Obama references it in speeches. For them, the only armed idiots worth reporting on are the white ones- or in the case of Zimmerman, somebody who is a uhmm.... "white hispanic".

You know, Google is your friend. It can help you avoid making really really stupid and incorrect points.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

If you're chasing someone else, it's no longer self-defense.
Of course it is.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I disagree. When your attacker(s) seek to reposition, that does not necessarily mean the attack is no longer an imminent threat. Or that the battle, or threat, is even even close to being finished.

To think otherwise is incredibly naive.

You've been watching too many episodes of Combat. Being attacked by a mugger is not the same as military tactics. To think other wise is incredible naïve.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

If you can edit to add an "edit" then you can edit to remove the original comment.

I can but I didn't want to hide what I originally wrote so I can show my error. If you don't like it, tough ****.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Counterattack is SOP after stopping an attack.

After being on the defense, go on the offense.

Don't let the enemy retreat and regroup and attack again.

Here's more of that BS combat crap. Everything that happens isn't a coordinated military attack. Surely you can tell the difference.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

He is no longer in IMMEDIATE danger of losing his life. Nothing says they wouldn't come back to finish the job.

Nothing says his neighbor might swoop in and finish him off either. Should he go next door and gun them down too?
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

What he did to a young Black man will follow him for the rest of his life.
What a black man did that night, hoping to beat up a soft and squishy older man, ended that young black man's life.
 
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What a black man did that night, hoping to beat up a soft and squishy older man, ended that young black man's life.




Believe whatever you want to believe, it will have zero effect on reality and won't cost me a penny.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I am sure we do.

Should the man sit in his apartment waiting for them to come back and finish the job?

Is that what you would do?

Theoretically you might try to murder me at an indeterminate time in the future, so I'm justified in killing you, right?


Not really relevant.

He is no longer in IMMEDIATE danger of losing his life. Nothing says they wouldn't come back to finish the job.

No, seriously, when the **** did "This person might be a danger in the future" become justification for execution?
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE TITLE 8. OF CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON CHAPTER 1. HOMICIDE SECTION 187-199
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
What circumstances make the homicide justifiable?

Which of these things apply to Greer's actions?

195. Homicide is excusable in the following cases:
1. When committed by accident and misfortune, or in doing any other lawful act by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution, and without any unlawful intent.
2. When committed by accident and misfortune, in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, when no undue advantage is taken, nor any dangerous weapon used, and when the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.

Greer reports that he acted intentionally. Greer did not act out of accident or misfortune.
So this section does not apply to Greer.


196. Homicide is justifiable when committed by public officers and those acting by their command in their aid and assistance, either--
1. In obedience to any judgment of a competent Court; or,
2. When necessarily committed in overcoming actual resistance to the execution of some legal process, or in the discharge of any other legal duty; or,
3. When necessarily committed in retaking felons who have been rescued or have escaped, or when necessarily committed in arresting persons charged with felony, and who are fleeing from justice or resisting such arrest.

Greer is not a public officer nor was acting by the command of a public officer.
So this section does not apply to Greer.


197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,


The Miller was pleading for her life when she was shot. So Greer was not resisting any of these attempts when he pulled the trigger.

2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed; or,

Miller was outside in the alley. She was intending and endeavoring to flee--not commit a felony. Yes, I realize that she had just committed a felony. But when she was shot she was not intending or endeavoring to commit a felony. As such Greer was no long defending himself and his when he killed Miller. Miller was not an imminent threat to Greer, Greer's family, or Greer's demesne--she was actively trying to leave the premises.

4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in awfully keeping and preserving the peace.

Greer was not attempting to apprehend Miller. He was trying to kill her.


198. A bare fear of the commission of any of the offenses mentioned in subdivisions 2 and 3 of Section 197, to prevent which homicide may be lawfully committed, is not sufficient to justify it. But the circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable person, and the party killing must have acted under the influence of such fears alone.

Even if Greer was afraid that Miller was about to do him or his harm [though Greer has not indicated this] it would be insufficient to justify the homicide because a reasonable person must also view the woman pleading for her life at gun point as an imminent threat.


198.5. Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury.

Greer shot Miller in the alley, not in Greer's house. So this one doesn't apply to Greer either.


What about Greer shooting Miller makes it a justifiable homicide?
It doesn't seem that any of these apply to Greer's situation imho.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

She lied? I'm shocked, I tell ya'.
Inorite?
What about having a gun to your head makes people say crazy ****?
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I disagree. When your attacker(s) seek to reposition, that does not necessarily mean the attack is no longer an imminent threat. Or that the battle, or threat, is even even close to being finished.
To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
Tell it to the judge.

There's a fair bit of legal precedence in these sorts of things.
Lessons learned from playing "Call of Duty" aren't exactly legal reasoning nor applicable to actual, likely, real-life situations, imho. ymmv.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Had he shot her when they jumped on him inside the house and tackled him it would've been "Clean" so to speak.
It seems that CA law says that if you shoot them in your house after they break in, the law must assume that you were in reasonable fear and the homicide is justifiable.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

It seems that CA law says that if you shoot them in your house after they break in, the law must assume that you were in reasonable fear and the homicide is justifiable.

After being tackled to the ground when you're an 80 year old man? Reasonable fear.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Inorite?
What about having a gun to your head makes people say crazy ****?

Curious: Inorite? What does that mean?
 
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