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80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched [W:700]

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The guy shot the chick as she and her boyfriend were running away....outside the house....down the alley.
What is the difference between "running away" and "repositioning your forces into a better tactical position to continue the attack?"
 
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Read about this earlier and I'm pretty sure this guy is going to pay a hefty price.

The guy shot the chick as she and her boyfriend were running away....outside the house....down the alley.

Deadly force is fine when an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm exists. That sure doesn't seem to be the case here.

I don't think so Lutherf, polling by the local media shows 3/4 of citizens don't want the guy charged.

This was the third time these druggies had burglarised the home.

They attacked an 80 year old man, broke his collar bone and when the old geaser armed himself with a .22 revolver, he shot a fleeing felon.

I have no problem with shooting fleeing felons. That's how it use to be back in the good old days.

The girls boyfriend has been apprehended and has already been charged for murder.

There's not a jury that would convict the 80 year old man, not even in Los Angeles County.

I think we should put a thousand 80 year old men on the border and watch how fast our borders become secured.
 
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Police have arrested a third suspect involved in Tuesday night's robbery that left one other suspect dead after the resident fatally shot her.
After investigating the incident further, Long Beach Police Department detectives discovered a third suspect, identified as 49-year-old Ruby Adams of Long Beach, was involved in the residential robbery.

Adams was arrested and booked for robbery Thursday night. It is anticipated that charges will also be filed against Ruby Adams on Monday.

Adams has been identified as the mother of another suspect, Gus Adams, who was arrested Wednesday and charged with one count each of murder, residential robbery, residential burglary, grand theft of a firearm and felon possession of a firearm. UPDATE: Police Arrest Third Suspect in Connection with Tuesday Night Bixby Knolls Robbery That Left One Suspect Dead

Pics of Miller and Gus Adams available at link.
 
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That's the thing--he returns home, is assaulted (broken collarbone and other more "minor" injuries, and I put that in quotes because at 80, surely nothing is minor), grabs the gun, adrenalin is pumping and fight-or-flight instinct is kicking in....

But I still don't understand shooting someone who's running away in the back. In pain and terrified, he was out of control. Lost control of his good judgment.
You don't understand that is what can happen under such trauma?
I do not see why you can't.


And why do you assume he is in pain at that point?
With all that adrenalin flowing, I seriously doubt it was anything but an afterthought at the moment.

So back to what you left out of the quote.

What the guy did was illegal, but understandable.


And btw, it was the fight instinct that kicked it. Not the flight one. :mrgreen:
 
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What is the difference between "running away" and "repositioning your forces into a better tactical position to continue the attack?"

Well, a "tactical withdrawal" works both ways. While you're repositioning your opponent also has the opportunity to resupply, fortify and reinforce.
 
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I don't think so Lutherf, polling by the local media shows 3/4 of citizens don't want the guy charged.

This was the third time these druggies had burglarised the home.

They attacked an 80 year old man, broke his collar bone and when the old geaser armed himself with a .22 revolver, he shot a fleeing felon.

I have no problem with shooting fleeing felons. That's how it use to be back in the good old days.

The girls boyfriend has been apprehended and has already been charged for murder.

There's not a jury that would convict the 80 year old man, not even in Los Angeles County.

I think we should put a thousand 80 year old men on the border and watch how fast our borders become secured.

There are reasons that a fleeing felon might need to be shot. Burglary that doesn't involve weapons isn't one of them.
 
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Well, a "tactical withdrawal" works both ways. While you're repositioning your opponent also has the opportunity to resupply, fortify and reinforce.
Fortifications are plentiful in an urban environment.
 
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What is the difference between "running away" and "repositioning your forces into a better tactical position to continue the attack?"

An unarmed women shot in the back would probably be the difference.
 
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I'm glad he killed her too. Those two criminals didn't hesitate to attack an old man and then they were so arrogant as to continue robbing him after they attacked him. I only wish he killed the man too.
self decreed assassin, extracting revenge - NOT defending himself from further harm:
“I shot her so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”
 
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An unarmed women shot in the back would probably be the difference.
Did that woman submit to some sort of search by the elderly victim to assure him that she was unarmed?
 
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Being angry is not a justification for a vigilante style murder. Is it understandable? Sure. It's not a justification, though.

I'm not all that bothered that the woman died. She sounds like a piece of **** to engage in the actions she allegedly engaged in. But that doesn't justify the guy's actions either.
 
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self decreed assassin, extracting revenge - NOT defending himself from further harm:
That is not him saying he did it to leave a message though. You do understand that, right?

And being caught up in the moment is not acting out of vengeance.
 
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Being angry is not a justification for a vigilante style murder. Is it understandable? Sure. It's not a justification, though.

I'm not all that bothered that the woman died. She sounds like a piece of **** to engage in the actions she allegedly engaged in. But that doesn't justify the guy's actions either.

The police chief referred to Miller's arrest history, and I found this article, which suggests that as a scam artist, she may have targeted the elderly: Pair suspected in fatal Long Beach home shooting were arrested, released earlier this year
 
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That is not him saying he did it to leave a message though. You do understand that, right?
no. these are greer's own words:
“I shot her so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.

And being caught up in the moment is not acting out of vengeance.
i will excuse a kid or incompetent for being unable to restrain their emotion fueled actions
an adult, without such disability? they must be held responsible for their actions. anger is no legitimate excuse
 
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Just think if the woman were have been black.

Obama would have already commented and Jesse and Al would have already booked reservations at some five star resort in L.A.

MSNBC/NBC would have already confirmed that the man was a racist and convicted him for a hate crime.
 
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no. these are greer's own words:
“I shot her[,] so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”

And again: That is not him saying he did it to leave a message though. You do understand that, right?
Do you really not understand that? Or have you not listened to him saying it, and that is why you do not understand that?

Here.
Start at the 1:27 mark.



i will excuse a kid or incompetent for being unable to restrain their emotion fueled actions
an adult, without such disability? they must be held responsible for their actions. anger is no legitimate excuse

And again, you are missing the point about it being a traumatic experience.
The trauma makes it different from just your run of the mill emotions of anger.
Which you are again ignoring what I said.

What the guy did was illegal, but understandable.
 
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Understandable is a subjective term.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Understandable is a subjective term.
Not in regards to the replies made.
 
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And again: That is not him saying he did it to leave a message though. You do understand that, right?
Do you really not understand that? Or have you not listened to him saying it, and that is why you do not understand that?

Here.
Start at the 1:27 mark.





And again, you are missing the point about it being a traumatic experience.
The trauma makes it different from just your run of the mill emotions of anger.
Which you are again ignoring what I said.

What the guy did was illegal, but understandable.


the shooter did say:
“I shot her so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”
California 80-year-old satisfied after gunning down fleeing pregnant home intruder

he also said he is a "good Christian" in another youtube
he shot her
he is not remorseful that he shot her
he shot her to send a message
he shot her while she was retreating, no longer posing a threat to his well being

there was no longer a self defense aspect to this shooting
only a vengeful murder of the fleeing woman
 
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the shooter did say:
“I shot her so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”

I provided a video of him saying it. What did you not understand about it?

:naughty No, he did not say;
“I shot her so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”

He said;
“I shot her, so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”

Do you not see or understand that comma?

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So again, he did not say he shot her to send a message.



he also said he is a "good Christian" in another youtube And? Matters not. Even good Christians can be caught up in the moment.
he shot her And? Good for him. More criminals should be shot.
he is not remorseful that he shot her And? Nor should he be. They harmed him.
he shot her to send a message That is a false claim by you, as already shown.
he shot her while she was retreating, no longer posing a threat to his well being And? I haven't said otherwise have I?

there was no longer a self defense aspect to this shooting
Still ignoring what was said, huh?

What exactly did you not understand about the following statement?
What the guy did was illegal, but understandable.

only a vengeful murder of the fleeing woman
Wrong. He was caught up in the moment of a traumatic experience. Which has nothing to do with vengeance.
 
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This squabbling about commas is really meaningless unless some people have ultra hearing and can hear commas.

I have already posted that she wasn't contributing anything to society and if he did not produce the gun he would have gotten a worst beating.


But you still have to follow the law no matter how much you disagree with it. He shot her twice in the back as she was running from him down an alley. When they took off running away down the alley he is no longer in danger of losing his life.
Actually the first bullet in her back was sufficient,

I actually can feel his anger and at 80 yrs old what do you have to lose. He may have even saved another senior from being robbed by her.

The two bullets in her back running from him is the nail in his legal coffin.
 
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This squabbling about commas is really meaningless unless some people have ultra hearing and can hear commas.
Maybe you do not want everybody on the same page with factual information, but I have found it is the best place for all to start.
And yes you can hear what he said.
He did not say he shot her to send a message.

And had anybody else bothered to find and watch the whole interview, it was the reporter who put the message idea in his head by asking a question.
 
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I provided a video of him saying it. What did you not understand about it?

:naughty No, he did not say;
“I shot her so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”

He said;
“I shot her, so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”

Do you not see or understand that comma?

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So again, he did not say he shot her to send a message.





Still ignoring what was said, huh?

What exactly did you not understand about the following statement?
What the guy did was illegal, but understandable.

Wrong. He was caught up in the moment of a traumatic experience. Which has nothing to do with vengeance.
yea, him saying it's gonna leave a message is not him saying it's gonna leave a message
let's see what the legal system does and then discuss it
 
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