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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    I just watched the interview the guy did for the local NBC station - Homeowner Guns Down Intruder Who Said She Was Pregnant | NBC Southern California

    This guy isn't an asshole like some have been making him out to be but he made a really bad decision and I'd say he's reasonably looking at second degree homicide.

    I'd have given him a pass if he shot while they were still inside the house. I think it's reckless as all hell but I'd understand him shooting as they took off down the alley. I can't, however, give him a pass for shooting the chick as she was in the process of surrendering.

    The use of deadly force isn't something to be taken lightly. It's a permanent solution to whatever problem you're facing so you'd better be damned sure that it's necessary before you go down that road. Now, I can understand the guy being scared. I would be too if I was 80 and a couple of kids just jumped me in my own house. I'd be pissed if it was the third time my house had been broken into. I can TOTALLY understand pulling a gun and even shooting as an act of self defense. But is it really self defense if the perps are running away? If the guy said "She was coming at me so I shot" I'd give him a pass. That's not, according to him, what happened.

    Based on the guys testimony there was no imminent threat. The suspects were heading the other direction and there is no indication that they had the means or intent to head back his way. Unless something else come out about this I see it as a bad shoot.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    When the **** did my country get filled with ****ing monsters?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    At 80? Na, never happen.
    Sure it is, just because you are 80 doesn't mean you won't get put away for murder.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant — I'm going to have a baby,' and I shot her anyway," Greer told KNBC-TV outside his house.

    Long Beach police Chief Jim McDonnell said at a news conference Thursday that the woman, 28-year-old Andrea Miller, did not appear to be pregnant, but a planned autopsy would determine whether she was.

    However, the surviving suspect, Gus Adams, 26, has been arrested on suspicion of residential burglary and murder, McDonnell said. The murder charge is possible because he is accused of being involved in a felony that led to a death, the chief said. He was being held on bail just over $1 million, and police did not know if he had hired an attorney.

    Both Miller and Adams, who had histories of similar crimes, were unarmed, McDonnell said.

    Greer had been burglarized three times before and believed the same suspects were responsible.

    He returned home shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday to find the pair in his home. Both suspects attacked him, hitting him with their fists and ultimately "body slamming" him to the floor, breaking his collar bone, McDonnell said.

    Miller continued to hit him, McDonnell said, while Adams moved to a safe and begin trying to pry it open.

    The homeowner was able to get to another room where he grabbed a gun and returned to open fire on the suspects. They fled through the garage and into an alley, and Greer gave chase, firing at them again outside, McDonnell said.

    Miller was hit, collapsed in the alley and died at the scene, McDonnell said.

    "The lady didn't run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice," Greer told the TV station. "She's dead ... but he got away."

    McDonnell would not say whether Miller was shot in the back as Greer said. He also declined to say how many shots were fired and whether either of the suspects was hit inside the house before fleeing.

    No phone listing was available for Greer and he could not be reached for comment by The Associated Press.

    It will be up to the district attorney to decide whether to charge Greer with a crime,

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Reading that, its going to be hard to get a conviction on an old man who was just beaten by the two scumbags.
    Sorry the baby died, but life is tough and tough when you are stupid.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    But the child was innocent, no? Take the mother out of the equation for an instance. Tell me... why did the child deserve to die?
    It didn't. But that doesn't automatically place the blame on the shooter unless you're willing to state that deadly force is never justified against a pregnant woman.
    Logically if the shooting is justified blame belongs with the mother, if it's not justified it belongs with the shooter.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When the **** did my country get filled with ****ing monsters?
    That's a ridiculous question.

    It's not "your country" and it's damned sure not filled with monsters.

    The guy in question made a bad decision under intense pressure. He's not a monster. He's human. The same goes for people in this thread that have supported the shooting. They aren't bad people either. They simply understand how an elderly person could reasonably fear for their life after being attacked in their home.

    Those who have made comments to the effect that this never would have happened if the kids didn't break into the house are 100% correct. Those kids initiated the situation by committing a series of felonies and I wouldn't be the least bit opposed to charging the one who got away with murder too.

    What you've got here is a couple of bad people who made the choice to be violent criminals and one of them paid the price for that decision. My heart sure as hell isn't bleeding for the chick that got shot.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Just following Barack "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon" Obama's lead.
    We'll put you down as one of his followers then.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    We'll put you down as one of his followers then.
    Ok, I get your point. Please dont list me as an Obama follower.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I just watched the interview the guy did for the local NBC station - Homeowner Guns Down Intruder Who Said She Was Pregnant | NBC Southern California

    This guy isn't an asshole like some have been making him out to be but he made a really bad decision and I'd say he's reasonably looking at second degree homicide.

    I'd have given him a pass if he shot while they were still inside the house. I think it's reckless as all hell but I'd understand him shooting as they took off down the alley. I can't, however, give him a pass for shooting the chick as she was in the process of surrendering.

    The use of deadly force isn't something to be taken lightly. It's a permanent solution to whatever problem you're facing so you'd better be damned sure that it's necessary before you go down that road.

    Based on the guys testimony there was no imminent threat. The suspects were heading the other direction and there is no indication that they had the means or intent to head back his way. Unless something else come out about this I see it as a bad shoot.
    Good analysis. Given the totality of the circumstances though, I would support charges of manslaughter, not second degree murder.

    These two were not burglarizing say a shed on his property or a garage and then immediately tried to flee when encountered. Rather, once they physically attacked the man in his home and broke his collar bone, they became robbers.

    Likewise, there is no evidence that the shooter was baiting potential thieves, nor is there evidence that he was pre determined to kill any and all burglars ala the Montana Moron.

    As you mentioned though, the shooter crossed a line. The DA should see that the line crossed was from self defense into Manslaughter.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    Good for old Tom.
    Thank you for your opinion. It confirms the correct belief that this old man should spend the rest of his life locked up.

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